gov wants to crush your v8

[Mr. Wyndham]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...111search.html|


If you don't have time, but want to contact these people...I reccomend you go here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...111search.html|

This is the senate 'edition' of this blasphemy. If anything fails, it's gonna fail in the senate. The House is too left-leaning for any impact to be made. :(

I have to believe they had good intentions with this legislation. They want to get old clunky vehicles (not necessarily targeted at classics...) off the roads to improve fuel economy, etc...Frankly; no enthusiast is going to turn in his/her prized vehicles for a few thousand....but regardless, this is so ass-backwards I want to punt a small animal.


EDIT: And why does all this stuff seem to originate in California?.........

[Rallysport]

Originally Posted by Zabo

Amen. And here *******Obama said he wouldn't cater to special interest. Uh right..

"Christ I almost smashed my coffee table in half reading this...Can I please exercise my right to bear arms Tag? Pleeeeeease?"

I can't repeat that statement enough..

I am with you 100%. BTW, I didnt vote for this clown. This is just the tip of the iceberg, folks. Bye-Bye gun ownership, that's next. Pardon me, now, I must make a run to the sporting goods store, I am restocking my ammo.

[Georgie]

don't worry the most merciful barack obama will shoot golden eggs out his a-- along with 500HP N/A 3 cylinder engines

[GTAHVIT]

Keep it clean folks. Obviously this topic is very relevant to us ans auto enthusiasts. But, we will still maintain an extremely tight leash on party or politician bashing. I agree with almost all of you but we need to keep this conversation as respectful as possible.

Thanks very much...

Unfortunately, as a result of this post, I can't say what I truly think about this...

[bigralph]

http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/n...davos.cnnmoney

[PQ]

Originally Posted by stovt001

I'm seriously worried about my Cutlass being stolen now.

Your Cutlas should be fine. Any scumbag who would steal your car, isn't gonna be able to use the voucher.

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

God damn I hate California!

Me too. What's next, Gary Coleman as Gov.

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Can't buy a used car with it, it's for NEW CARS. You will only lose money buying a new car and selling after tax, tag, title and insurance.

The way I read the post it says New or Used as long as it's a model year of 2004 or later.

25% better in fuel mileage? I don't fully understand the CAFE calculations, but if it's fuel mileage then if you crush say a Jeep Liberty then you could easily get a better deal than a trade in on a new Camaro.

Then again, it's gonna find some way to benefit anyone but me.

Originally Posted by bigralph

http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/n...davos.cnnmoney

I agree with Soros. Greenspan is an Idiot.

[Keedy]

Perhaps this is just a bit naive on my part, but i don't see the justification for the uproar here.

Many people have cars that they would like to get rid of, but they can't. These cars are doing countless damage to the environment, and our wallets (increasing demand for gas, thus increasing the price) as well as the wallets of whoever owns the car.

If someone wants to get their car smashed, where is the danger? Are we afraid that we'll soon run out of barely serviceable 89-92 Honda civics?

If this law said anything close to "IF YOUR CAR ISN'T EFFICIENT, YOU MUST SMASH IT" I'd grab my pitch fork, light a torch and hop in line with the rest of ya'll... But it doesn't. It says "If you've got a car you can't get rid of, get it disposed of, and we'll help." Wheres the negative? Most of the negative I've seen so far is people concocting the most enraging and terrifying hypothetical they can think of... I've yet to see anyone say anything in this thread that makes me go "Oh well... maybe it's not such a good idea."

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by Keedy

Perhaps this is just a bit naive on my part, but i don't see the justification for the uproar here.

Many people have cars that they would like to get rid of, but they can't. These cars are doing countless damage to the environment, and our wallets (increasing demand for gas, thus increasing the price) as well as the wallets of whoever owns the car.

If someone wants to get their car smashed, where is the danger? Are we afraid that we'll soon run out of barely serviceable 89-92 Honda civics?

If this law said anything close to "IF YOUR CAR ISN'T EFFICIENT, YOU MUST SMASH IT" I'd grab my pitch fork, light a torch and hop in line with the rest of ya'll... But it doesn't. It says "If you've got a car you can't get rid of, get it disposed of, and we'll help." Wheres the negative? Most of the negative I've seen so far is people concocting the most enraging and terrifying hypothetical they can think of... I've yet to see anyone say anything in this thread that makes me go "Oh well... maybe it's not such a good idea."

I stopped reading right there... You people need to get a reality check, you as a person (and us as humanity) have such a small impact on the planet that it will not change a climate or cause global warming in and of itself.

Global climate is changing, but its in no way caused by humanity, its a natural course of the planet. If you think that you(or humanity) can make a difference in how the climate changes you are indeed naive, have no concept of the size of the planet, or of scope of reality.

The problem I have with these ideas is.. what happens when there are no used cars for teens and lower income families to buy? These are the people that depend on the sub 10k price cars.. and if they get taken away.. where will they go for transportation?

[Keedy]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I stopped reading right there... You people need to get a reality check, you as a person (and us as humanity) have such a small impact on the planet that it will not change a climate or cause global warming in and of itself.

Global climate is changing, but its in no way caused by humanity, its a natural course of the planet. If you think that you(or humanity) can make a difference in how the climate changes you are indeed naive, have no concept of the size of the planet, or of scope of reality.

The problem I have with these ideas is.. what happens when there are no used cars for teens and lower income families to buy? These are the people that depend on the sub 10k price cars.. and if they get taken away.. where will they go for transportation?

Accept or deny the effects of carbon dioxide on a carbon dioxide based greenhouse, i did not specify global warming. Environmental agendas have been derailed a great deal by global warming concerns, but don't ignore the fact that they were there long before the suggestion that we might be changing the climate. All that stuff about not having clean air to breathe, increasing childhood asthma rates, increased cancer rates, decreased quality of life, small insignificant woodland creatures whom, after extinction, you realize quietly supported the entire ecosystem.

Also, if the whole basis of your belief in humanity's lack of involvement is that the planet is too big, and we are too small: Would you like to inject some HIV? Just a few bacteria... No problem. After all, you're so big, and its so small...

[toesuf94]

Keedy:

I will handle your question for you. Let's say the government puts this into effect where people can sell off their old cars and have them crushed in return for a $4000 voucher. After all, it's just an old car that doesn't get very good mileage anyway...so you are doing your part to HELP clean up the environment. Soon, they get this program going, then they go for more. Maybe limit the amount of miles per year you can drive cars after a certain year to a level that owning one is not worth it or any fun. Then they go for a stricter emissions standard on your older cars, where you have to install polution control devices on your classic car in order to drive it at all. Then they will make it illegal to store your classic car outside or your project car cannot be visible from anywhere outside your house (laugh - it is happening and people are loosing cars to these rules already.) How does all of this effect you? Money, your hobby - all can be gone pretty quickly in the name of 'cleaner air'...while they all fly home in private jets and helicopters with Black Suburban's escorting them.
This type of legislation is the type that snowballs into further grabs that take away from your lifestyle and the hobby. Junkyards and personal collections are disappearing every year to legislation and government intervention. This only gets worse.

[Camaro_Corvette]

And this is new information how. The government has always hated us V8 fans, and they always will.

[Keedy]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

Keedy:

I will handle your question for you. Let's say the government puts this into effect where people can sell off their old cars and have them crushed in return for a $4000 voucher. After all, it's just an old car that doesn't get very good mileage anyway...so you are doing your part to HELP clean up the environment. Soon, they get this program going, then they go for more. Maybe limit the amount of miles per year you can drive cars after a certain year to a level that owning one is not worth it or any fun. Then they go for a stricter emissions standard on your older cars, where you have to install polution control devices on your classic car in order to drive it at all. Then they will make it illegal to store your classic car outside or your project car cannot be visible from anywhere outside your house (laugh - it is happening and people are loosing cars to these rules already.) How does all of this effect you? Money, your hobby - all can be gone pretty quickly in the name of 'cleaner air'...while they all fly home in private jets and helicopters with Black Suburban's escorting them.
This type of legislation is the type that snowballs into further grabs that take away from your lifestyle and the hobby. Junkyards and personal collections are disappearing every year to legislation and government intervention. This only gets worse.

I agree, and i have heard about the slippery slope many times before... But generally, for a slope to be so slippery, it needs to create precedent. That's why i feel no uproar here... there's no precedent set. All that would be said of people using this law is that they like don't like their old car, and they do like their new car. The next law could be the next fight... but i really don't see dangerous precedent. Uncomfortable spending, quite possibly.. but precedent, not at all.

[Parker]

I think California tried this if your car couldn't pass smog. It failed because people would make there pos cars that weren't worth anything to get one and it ended up costing to much.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Parker

I think California tried this if your car couldn't pass smog. It failed because people would make there pos cars that weren't worth anything to get one and it ended up costing to much.

No surprises there. Cal. was the first to cry for money.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Accept or deny the effects of carbon dioxide on a carbon dioxide based greenhouse, i did not specify global warming. Environmental agendas have been derailed a great deal by global warming concerns, but don't ignore the fact that they were there long before the suggestion that we might be changing the climate. All that stuff about not having clean air to breathe, increasing childhood asthma rates, increased cancer rates, decreased quality of life, small insignificant woodland creatures whom, after extinction, you realize quietly supported the entire ecosystem.

Also, if the whole basis of your belief in humanity's lack of involvement is that the planet is too big, and we are too small: Would you like to inject some HIV? Just a few bacteria... No problem. After all, you're so big, and its so small...

My favorite statistic: Average life expectancy of a person in 1900 is 47 years. In 2000 is 75 years. and to this day continues to rise slightly.

http://www.elderweb.com/home/node/2838

Problem is though. Anything the Gov does turns out bad. They talk about job creation, this bill will be counterproductive to it.