2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Take a fully equipped GT500's pricetag and subtract the price of a fully equipped ZL1.

Take that amount of money, and dump it into the performance of a ZL1.

Which one will be faster?

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And use the money saved on a boss and outperform them both.
And use the money on an SS and outform all 3.
And use the money saved on a GT and outperform all 4.
And use the money saved on a fox body and outperform all 5.
And use the money saved on a miata and outperform all 6.
And use the money saved on a bike and outperform all 7.

Buying a new, 60,000 dollar car is NOT the best performance/$ ratio out there, so comparing mods becomes never ending.

[Xedes]

Originally Posted by GrabberB5.Slow

I'm don't have that much knowledge in Corvettes, but why don't they just scrap the base corvette and keep the z06 and zr1 since the zl1 is approaching it's turf? I guess it would cost a good bit in sales, since all some people care about is if it's a corvette and just want the cheapest one but still. Just throwing that out there.

So a 50k+ toy is cheap to you? I say toy to describe the vette because 1, that's what my ex always called it and 2, because that's what it is. You can't haul anything with it. Little cargo space for trips and yet people that have them have enough of a disposable income to afford them. There's nothing "cheap" when it comes to owning any vette (this is coming from someone with firsthand experience).

Stripes was the movie the above quote was from.

[Xedes]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

And use the money saved on a boss and outperform them both.
And use the money on an SS and outform all 3.
And use the money saved on a GT and outperform all 4.
And use the money saved on a fox body and outperform all 5.
And use the money saved on a miata and outperform all 6.
And use the money saved on a bike and outperform all 7.

Buying a new, 60,000 dollar car is NOT the best performance/$ ratio out there, so comparing mods becomes never ending.

^^this too. Except there's plenty of stock sport bikes that will outperform all the above mentioned cars.

[Rangore]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I believe the OP makes a few good points, but I'm not quite convinced ford isn't competing with the ZL1.

I still believe it's true that the new GT500 was benchmarked off the GT, becUse the Boss was on it's tail, but they also know full well that it's Camaro/Firebird vs Mustang (even when the GM entry was non existent).

I remember when Camaros were blowing 2v 4.6 cars out of the water in straight lines (sound familiar ?) but Ford guys didn't say well, GM isn't comparing the Mustang to us anymore because they're shooting higher.... It's just part of the progression.

I think it might sting for (key word here) SOME c5 members simply because they took the hype and the overwhelming performance promises for "over face value" and obviously can't cash them in.

All in all, you guys know you don't like your ZL1s any less because another car is faster. Same as I don't like my GT500 any leas because it'll get drilled by a zr-1, or a new viper, or a....

Originally Posted by Xedes

I agree that the GT500 is "competing" with the ZL1. In this case Ford just brought a bigger dog to the fight. I said it before, I think the HP wars are great for the customers of muscle cars. I also think its a little funny that while GM was hyping up the ZL1, Ford just kind of slammed the door on them before they even could get one Z to a customer.

I do hope Ford does bring out a competitor for the Corvette. A nice 2-seater, twin turboed, all wheel drive beast that will make Godzilla (GT-R) owners nervous.

Originally Posted by AirManFL

I disagree. The GT500 is in the pony car category and the Corvette isn't.
Furthermore, If the Corvette is the ceiling for the Camaro (which I agree with you) that's GM's problem. That doesn't automatically leave it up to the Corvette to fight the Camaro's fight.

Rob

Originally Posted by el ess X

You know, I used to want to own a Corvette convertible as my sunset into retirement car. But now, I just don't (ZL1 'vert is). Can't put my finger on it, but the 'vette just isn't me. And as nice and cool as Corvettes are, I don't think it could ever be me.

Camaro, on the other hand, just has a resonance that's more in tune with my own "style" or persona. I may work in management, not have a mullet, and I don't live in a trailer park, but I do love me some Camaros.

ZL1 gets bitch-slapped in the nose a little bit and the non-believers run off with their tail between their legs. To me, the fight just started. Camaro will hit back.

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[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Top Gear is horrible at testing fairly!

Jeremy Clarkson in a Glass-roof'd 500...you know, the one with more head clearance and greater structural rigidity and only an extra 20-odd pounds.

Stig, with his lighter weight, in the ZL1...

hmmmm...now THAT would be as interesting as putting modded Mustangs against Stock ZL1s...

[peteypab2133]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

And use the money saved on a boss and outperform them both.
And use the money on an SS and outform all 3.
And use the money saved on a GT and outperform all 4.
And use the money saved on a fox body and outperform all 5.
And use the money saved on a miata and outperform all 6.
And use the money saved on a bike and outperform all 7.

Buying a new, 60,000 dollar car is NOT the best performance/$ ratio out there, so comparing mods becomes never ending.

bahahahhaa thats the funniest thing I have ever heard.


But 100% true.

[peteypab2133]

Originally Posted by Rangore

These

This, That, and now These?

Why do people do this? Are you really to lazy to say a few words? As if I could not read "these" from the earlier posts.

[MikeSVX]

Originally Posted by Xedes

So a 50k+ toy is cheap to you? I say toy to describe the vette because 1, that's what my ex always called it and 2, because that's what it is. You can't haul anything with it. Little cargo space for trips and yet people that have them have enough of a disposable income to afford them. There's nothing "cheap" when it comes to owning any vette (this is coming from someone with firsthand experience).

Stripes was the movie the above quote was from.

Don't tell my mother this. Her daily driver is a 2004 Z06. It's her 3rd Corvette in a row. She doesn't seem to have any issues. She uses it for shopping all the time. She can get as much groceries in it as I can in my Camaro.

[MikeSVX]

I don't think comparing the ZL1 to the boss is correct either. The 1LE package would be a better comparison to the Boss. I know you don't get a horse power bump with the 1LE, but the Boss and the 1LE are both designed as track packages. The ZL1 is in the class of the GT500, the SS and the GT are in the same class, and the v6 cars are in the same class. You shouldn't try to reclass your car because the competition has stepped up to meet your challenge. Next your going to tell me the SS should be compared to the V6 mustang because the GT has nearly the same power as the SS but weights less and it isn't fair.

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Originally Posted by drummer5679

this thread should just be deleted.

..another pointless thread.

[LOWDOWN]

In any racing sanctioning body, there are essentially TWO ways of "classing" vehicles:

Pounds per Advertised Horsepower - pretty simple...what's it weigh divided by what's it make.

500 = 5.77 (3820/662)

ZL1 = 7.10 (4120/580)

Pounds per Cubic Inch Displacement - in this scenario (with regard to road racing), other factors besides displacement affect the "formula". Such things as cylinder head architecture (OHV vs. OHC/DOHC) and induction system (naturally aspirated vs. forced [turbo-/supercharger] induction). Each sanctioning body institutes their own "formula". OHC/DOHC carry more weight...or less displacement...or both. Same with "boost".

In BOTH scenarios, NO SANCTIONING BODY would put BOTH cars in the SAME Class.

Test 'n Tune, at the local strip? "Run what ya brung..."

HPDE, at the local road course? Ditto.

NHRA, in "Stock"-class racing, would NOT allow the 500 to run. Minimum Class weight is 6 lb./hp. And running one against the decidedly "soft" hp ratings of a CJ would be, well, not the best use of one's time or money.

So, "officially", it truly is "apples to oranges"...

[Xedes]

Originally Posted by 2010SLVRBULIT

..another pointless thread.

Not really. This thread has got me thinking about ordering a GT500. Lol!

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by GrabberB5.Slow

If you think driving around in circles and going in-and-out of cones is the same as a road course you have alot to learn.

whats the reason for the butthurt? we all knew it would play out like this.

[big hammer]

zl1 should have gotten the ls9.