2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[DDoug]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

I am just hearing the hellcat just knocked off a 10.48 on drag radials in south texas. 11.05 on stock tires. No shiznit. Gathering more info!

Edinburg raceway facebook page has some info

I found the time slips........

Well, sometimes, it is LOL!!!

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by DDoug

Well, sometimes, it is LOL!!!

LMAO!!!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by LostPony

Sorry, I should add " a compromised design" after "Sounds like it will be"

Reach down, pinch forefinger and thumb together and remove panties from crack...

Agree! The design will be compromised! GM build these 5th Gens for the us hardcore fans! Design wise! The 6th Gens will be design more for the public I bet!

[chain777]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

All the hoopla regarding the "new" Charger and Challenger masks the fact that FCA is stuck with this overweight platform dinosaur (DYNO-SOAR!) for several more years, while Ford and Chev have fresher, newer answers. Taking old cars and somehow making them more marketable is their ONLY current option, and stuffing them full of good ol' American Horsepower (installed in Canada) has certainly garnered MORE than their fair share of attention. Better living through electronics.

Again, to equate these cars with more state of the art efforts from others, and to maintain this dizzying level of interest, is only possible with the internet, in an apples-oranges-pears comparo. Good work!

Not everyone wants a track focused car, and Dodge just happens to be the only one offering a car whose main purpose is going fast in a straight line. Its the closest thing to and old school muscle car, and fills a niche market that nobody else does. I don't see that as a negative.

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The Z06 manual beat the Hellcat automatic in the 1/4 and will certainly embarrass it on any road course. The Hellcat's strong suit appears to be roll racing to 170 mph. Where exactly is that done?

Street tires
11.77 @ 127.05 mph (2.06 60′) – C7 Z06 “robe38″ Manual
12.11 @ 126.30 mph (2.17 60′) – Challenger Hellcat “Jerrod T” Auto

Drag radials
10.93 @ 128.94 (1.77 60′) – C7 Z06 “robe38″ Manual
Hellcat M.I.A.

Not that I condone it, but its seen on every interstate and many back-roads in this country. You know, that street racing thing that more owners will experience vs. the small number that will actually track them.

[chain777]

Maybe we should think about appreciating cars for they are instead of criticizing them for what they aren't?

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by chain777

Maybe we should think about appreciating cars for they are instead of criticizing them for what they aren't?

But then how could we argue pointlessly for 100+ pages on internet forums?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

But then how could we argue pointlessly for 100+ pages on internet forums?

I'm guessing that Camaro owners don't run over to the Dodge or Ford sites to post every time a ZL1 or Z/28 gets back out of the garage either. When someone belligerent show up wearing a kick me sign, it hard to just turn away.

[SpeedIsLife]

A big part of it is because Camaro/Ford owners have been crowing for YEARS about how the Challenger is slow/a pig/underpowered/uncompetitive/etc. The louder the crowing, the bigger the serving of crow when the Hellcats did eventually come. Then you had people who said it would underperform, and the when the first tests didn't exactly match Dodge's claims about performance, it got even louder. Now runs have been made showing that the claims Dodge made were valid.

Now Mopar has provided Challengers that are competitive on every level except for the "We really don't know what we're doing yet with this" 5.7 R/T (which really needs about 415hp/450tq to be competitive).

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

A big part of it is because Camaro/Ford owners have been crowing for YEARS about how the Challenger is slow/a pig/underpowered/uncompetitive/etc. The louder the crowing, the bigger the serving of crow when the Hellcats did eventually come. Then you had people who said it would underperform, and the when the first tests didn't exactly match Dodge's claims about performance, it got even louder. Now runs have been made showing that the claims Dodge made were valid.

Now Mopar has provided Challengers that are competitive on every level except for the "We really don't know what we're doing yet with this" 5.7 R/T (which really needs about 415hp/450tq to be competitive).

FACT: For YEARS the Challenger has been slow/a pig/underpowered/uncompetitive/etc. FINALLY they put a bigger motor in and it yields the following results:

Car&Driver:
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 125mph; 3891lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec; 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124.0mph; 4468lbs
------ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs

MotorTrend:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

Road&Track:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 128.1mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.0 @ 124.8mph
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph

The Hellokitty fan club will point out that Cars.com ran an 11.4 and some random guy in Texas allegedly ran 11.0 while they conveniently ignore the tests above as well as the guy that ran his Hellokitty same-day, same-track with some Z06's and Vipers which resulted in a resounding beat down and 12.1 second quarter mile: https://nineballgarage.wordpress.com...ellcat-vs-zr1/ Or HotRod magazine running an 12.5 @ 117mph.

In 6 months of testing there has been ONE SINGLE (allegedly bone stock) run that meets Dodge's claims. How many cars, and how many passes did it take to accomplish this remarkable feat?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

FACT: For YEARS the Challenger has been slow/a pig/underpowered/uncompetitive/etc. FINALLY they put a bigger motor in and it yields the following results:

Car&Driver:
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 125mph; 3891lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec; 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124.0mph; 4468lbs
------ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs

MotorTrend:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

Road&Track:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 128.1mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.0 @ 124.8mph
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph

The Hellokitty fan club will point out that Cars.com ran an 11.4 and some random guy in Texas allegedly ran 11.0 while they conveniently ignore the tests above as well as the guy that ran his Hellokitty same-day, same-track with some Z06's and Vipers which resulted in a resounding beat down and 12.1 second quarter mile: https://nineballgarage.wordpress.com...ellcat-vs-zr1/ Or HotRod magazine running an 12.5 @ 117mph.

In 6 months of testing there has been ONE SINGLE (allegedly bone stock) run that meets Dodge's claims. How many cars, and how many passes did it take to accomplish this remarkable feat?

FACT:

THERE ARE NO AVAILABLE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE HELLCATS

THERE IS NO TUNING AVAILABLE FO THE HELLCATS

They FULLY disclosed that the one car had DR's and race fuel, they provided the conditions in both cases.

FACT: The magazine runs were not done on a prepared surface

FACT: The 3 confirmed times that a run was done on a proper drag strip, on stock tires, has produced an 11.05, 11.4 and 12.1. ALL trapped at a MPH indicating low 11 second times. The 12.1 trapped at 126 MPH, which indicates traction was an issue from the start. That means that 2 out of the 3 runs on a track were within the realm of Dodge's stated times for stock tires, one within 2/10ths slower, one the same delta faster.

You consistently throw up the magazine times while being ever reliable to not disclose that they were not done on a prepared surface, which Dodge always said the claimed times were on. Now, when runs ON a prepared surface come up, you dismiss the ones close to the Dodge stated time while pointing at the 12.1 time..while also forgetting to mention the trap MPH which is a better indicator of performance.

[shaffe]

I still want to see more than 1 run, but most of the country is to cold right now for tracks to be open so we will have to wait for spring most likely.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

FACT:

THERE ARE NO AVAILABLE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE HELLCATS

Really? Drag radials, stripped interior, race gas, fudging numbers, all quick ways to deceptively yield quicker times.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

They FULLY disclosed that the one car had DR's and race fuel, they provided the conditions in both cases.

I'm more concerned about what they failed to disclose. Are the results repeatable?

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

FACT: The magazine runs were not done on a prepared surface

Which is why I posted times for the ZL1 and GT500 too. What do you think the ZL1 or GT500 would run on a well-prepped track?

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

FACT: The 3 confirmed times that a run was done on a proper drag strip, on stock tires, has produced an 11.05, 11.4 and 12.1. ALL trapped at a MPH indicating low 11 second times. The 12.1 trapped at 126 MPH, which indicates traction was an issue from the start. That means that 2 out of the 3 runs on a track were within the realm of Dodge's stated times for stock tires, one within 2/10ths slower, one the same delta faster.

There have been far more than three Hellcats at drag strips in the last 6 months. Where are all these basement 11 timeslips hiding???

Of course traction is an issue. It's a 700hp car on 275's. Another testament to Dodge's failure to provide a proper platform for such power.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

You consistently throw up the magazine times while being ever reliable to not disclose that they were not done on a prepared surface, which Dodge always said the claimed times were on. Now, when runs ON a prepared surface come up, you dismiss the ones close to the Dodge stated time while pointing at the 12.1 time..while also forgetting to mention the trap MPH which is a better indicator of performance.

NONE of the times below are on a prepped surface. ZL1 and GT500 times are even better on a prepped surface. What's your point?

Car&Driver:
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 125mph; 3891lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec; 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124.0mph; 4468lbs
------ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs

MotorTrend:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

Road&Track:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 128.1mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.0 @ 124.8mph
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Really? Drag radials, stripped interior, race gas, fudging numbers, all quick ways to deceptively yield quicker times.



I'm more concerned about what they failed to disclose. Are the results repeatable?



Which is why I posted times for the ZL1 and GT500 too. What do you think the ZL1 or GT500 would run on a well-prepped track?



There have been far more than three Hellcats at drag strips in the last 6 months. Where are all these basement 11 timeslips hiding???

Of course traction is an issue. It's a 700hp car on 275's. Another testament to Dodge's failure to provide a proper platform for such power.



NONE of the times below are on a prepped surface. ZL1 and GT500 times are even better on a prepped surface. What's your point?

Car&Driver:
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 125mph; 3891lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec; 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124.0mph; 4468lbs
------ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs

MotorTrend:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

Road&Track:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 128.1mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.0 @ 124.8mph
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph

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Hey Medisin,

Please show me your links to a stock GT500 or ZL1, running anywhere near these new times on the basic mods done to the Hellcat. Remember the number is 10:48 @ 133-mph with nothing other than fuel & tires (no lightweight wheels) and only 275 series 555R were used. 11:05 @ 126-mph fuel only.

The GT500 and ZL1 have had 3+ years to accomplish what the Hellcat has done in 1-2 months of initial deliveries.

Please set us all straight here ok.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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Please set us all straight here ok.

Now it comes out that the 11.05 was with 109 octane!? So not bone stock. Was one of the many asterisks after Dodge's marketing claims *109 octane required. What else are they not telling us? So to date, the 11.4 Cars.com run remains the closest to Dodge's marketed 11.2 after 6 months and hundreds of passes.