2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[72MachOne99GT]

I got a kick out of it.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I got a kick out of it.

Too Funny... I know you are enjoying the hell out of your new ride... as am I...

[Monsterpost]

Originally Posted by mlee

Disagree... I'm not fooling myself into believing my ZL1 can beat a 2013 GT500 at anything. If I ever did I'd have you guys to correct me... frankly I'm pretty happy with what I have at the price I got it.

It's all about the motives some have when they come here and post "in your face" comments with fake info in their Avitars. Sorry I'm not stupid enough to buy into it.

I'm very new to this site so I'm sure in your eyes I'm a troll; not true. I think the ZL1 is a good car no doubt; it appears its not going to live up to the hype as compared to the 2013 GT500. Time to move on enjoy your car as I will enjoy mine when it gets here.

The knock on this site is if anyone says anything the mods don't like the post get deleted or you get banned. Yesterday I posted a link to the dyno runs between the ZL1 and the GT500 in this thread; post was deleted, why? The same link was posted again by another member and its still there, how come that post wasn't deleted?

As for the info in my Avitar it is real, I'm not hiding anything. There may be some here who don't like whats in my Avitar, I have nothing to hide your just going to have to live with it. At least you know where I'm comming from.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Monsterpost

I'm very new to this site so I'm sure in your eyes I'm a troll; not true. I think the ZL1 is a good car no doubt; it appears its not going to live up to the hype as compared to the 2013 GT500. Time to move on enjoy your car as I will enjoy mine when it gets here.

The knock on this site is if anyone says anything the mods don't like the post get deleted or you get banned. Yesterday I posted a link to the dyno runs between the ZL1 and the GT500 in this thread; post was deleted, why? The same link was posted again by another member and its still there, how come that post wasn't deleted?

As for the info in my Avitar it is real, I'm not hiding anything. There may be some here who don't like whats in my Avitar, I have nothing to hide your just going to have to live with it. At least you know where I'm comming from.

First off as you said you are new to this site and don't know me from Adam... you assume I would call you a troll just because of what you have read in this thread... This is probably he most controversial thead on C5 as you might imagine so I urge you to check out the rest of the site. Post up and be proud of what you drive as you have done. I have no problem w/ that, just be respectful of what others drive as well.

Second I don't need to move on... this happens to be the best forum out there IMO and this is where I've hung my hat for the past few years. By all means, you are welcome to become a part of the C5 family. It's a little PG-13 where as most sites tend to be R rated at times. I'm well aware of the knock others have on this site. It's is run a bit differently than what you are probably used to so it's just something you'll have to get used to. The mods can't catch everything and I belive the link you refer to was posted 8 or 10 times yesterday so maybe they missed one. They do a great job with this site which is directly responsible for it being the #1 Camaro Forum out there.

Again... Welcome... hopefully you know where I'm coming from.

[Truck Norris]

Originally Posted by mlee

It's a little PG-13 where as most sites tend to be R rated at times.

Go check MPAA as they can use all the swear words and show full nudity minus the crotch in PG-13 films (Kate Winslet bare breasts in Titanic) It seems to be more along the lines of G rated as you can't say chit or show people in underwear here both of which are allowed in PG films.

Most forums have rules no different then this when it comes to adult content. Its not the wild west anymore as these forums are a money making businesses with sponsors and advertisers to keep happy. I'd say these R rated forums you talk about are more along the lines of PG if you check out the MPAA ratings.

[eolson]

This forum has the highest volume, but is laughably touchy about criticism.

These comments about the GT500 out performing the ZL1 seem to be ignoring the fact that the ZL1 so far has shown what an amazing handling car it is and still has a standing 7:41 at the Nurburgring, and easily handed the Boss LS it's ass at the road course track, so to me, if you consider accelerating, breaking and handling, the ZL1 so far owns 66.6666% of the bragging rights for most amazing sports coupe.

The 2013 GT500 still has to show it's handling and breaking with some hard lapping, and the fact that there is no Nurburgring time from Ford, and the new cars figure eight time is .2 seconds off the 2012 model, we need to see this car pushed all the way on road courses pronto.

The ZL1 can easily be pushed up in HP by Chevy, but the GT500 can not just adjust their suspension with a simple improvement and increase cornering times unless they go to a new level of commitment IMO. Erik

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by eolson

This forum has the highest volume, but is laughably touchy about criticism.

These comments about the GT500 out performing the ZL1 seem to be ignoring the fact that the ZL1 so far has shown what an amazing handling car it is and still has a standing 7:41 at the Nurburgring, and easily handed the Boss LS it's ass at the road course track, so to me, if you consider accelerating, breaking and handling, the ZL1 so far owns 66.6666% of the bragging rights for most amazing sports coupe.

The 2013 GT500 still has to show it's handling and breaking with some hard lapping, and the fact that there is no Nurburgring time from Ford, and the new cars figure eight time is .2 seconds off the 2012 model, we need to see this car pushed all the way on road courses pronto.

The ZL1 can easily be pushed up in HP by Chevy, but the GT500 can not just adjust their suspension with a simple improvement and increase cornering times unless they go to a new level of commitment IMO. Erik

Very good post !!!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by eolson

This forum has the highest volume, but is laughably touchy about criticism.

These comments about the GT500 out performing the ZL1 seem to be ignoring the fact that the ZL1 so far has shown what an amazing handling car it is and still has a standing 7:41 at the Nurburgring, and easily handed the Boss LS it's ass at the road course track, so to me, if you consider accelerating, breaking and handling, the ZL1 so far owns 66.6666% of the bragging rights for most amazing sports coupe.

The 2013 GT500 still has to show it's handling and breaking with some hard lapping, and the fact that there is no Nurburgring time from Ford, and the new cars figure eight time is .2 seconds off the 2012 model, we need to see this car pushed all the way on road courses pronto.



The ZL1 can easily be pushed up in HP by Chevy, but the GT500 can not just adjust their suspension with a simple improvement and increase cornering times unless they go to a new level of commitment IMO. Erik

Now this post just makes to much sense!

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by eolson

This forum has the highest volume, but is laughably touchy about criticism.

These comments about the GT500 out performing the ZL1 seem to be ignoring the fact that the ZL1 so far has shown what an amazing handling car it is and still has a standing 7:41 at the Nurburgring, and easily handed the Boss LS it's ass at the road course track, so to me, if you consider accelerating, breaking and handling, the ZL1 so far owns 66.6666% of the bragging rights for most amazing sports coupe.

The 2013 GT500 still has to show it's handling and breaking with some hard lapping, and the fact that there is no Nurburgring time from Ford, and the new cars figure eight time is .2 seconds off the 2012 model, we need to see this car pushed all the way on road courses pronto.

The ZL1 can easily be pushed up in HP by Chevy, but the GT500 can not just adjust their suspension with a simple improvement and increase cornering times unless they go to a new level of commitment IMO. Erik

66.6666%???? Trying to stay unbiased as much as possible but come on. Yes we need a same day review on both cars but Chevrolet cannot just turn up the wick on the ZL1. Motor has much less room for improvment then the GT500. Lets take the 2 most read magazines and compare their numbers as they have givin the best times for both and they are the "facts in hand" we have.

GT500 ZL1

3.5-3.8---- 3.9-4.3 0-60----------------- GT500 Wins
11.5-11.8----- 12.1-12.3 1.4mi----------- GT500 Wins
121-126----- 115-119 TrpSpd ------------GT500 Wins
201 MPH------ 184 MPH TopSpd ----------GT 500 Wins
101 ft ----------108 ft Brkng -------------GT500 Wins
.98-1.-----------0 .98-1.0 SKDPD --------TIE
54995 -----------56+ GGT BasePrice -----GT500 Wins
24mpg --------19 MPG MPG --------------GT500 Wins
3852 ---------4120 LBS -----------------GT500 Wins
63,000 ---------56,800 AS Tested Price-- ZL1 wins

It sure looks from an outsider that the ZL1 is the best camaro and an awesome machine, but the GT500 sure seems to have put itself in another league here. It has become more of a Boss 302 fighter than a GT500. I have a feeling we will see alot more Z06 vs GT500 comparos than ZL1 vs GT500. Which in its own right says something that a 6-7 year old corvette is compared to the best mustang ever. Verdict is still out, but Vegas would definatly have it stacked in the GT500's win column.

[eolson]

Yes, in a straight line the GT500 is the winner. In road course handling and sustained breaking the ZL1 so far is the winner until shown otherwise. For the cost of the ZL1 in it's basic sports coupe category, nothing has been shown to be able to touch it in handling yet, that's what I'm saying.

Adding a shorter pulley to the ZL1 will give it a bit more power, and take it's top speed up a bit. Beyond this if you're looking at a ZL1 with a shorter pulley, on the street, on a road course, so far the ZL1 has the better balance struck between usable and enjoyable high performance aspects of a sports coupe. Control going fast through or around a corner on the street and then having planted control accelerating out of that corner is very important on the street and a road course.

So far if you were to take the a decent spirited drive on a long mountain road, city streets, highway on ramps and off ramps, the ZL1 has more than enough usable power for any driving activity, and has better performance in handling and cornering(including powering out of a corner) as far as has been proven so far.

Absolute maximums on a drag strip and giant oval for top speed is not part of 95% of what real people will be doing with these Muscle cars.

On the street, the GT500 might not have as good of control or grip accelerating very fast over uneven surfaces, as well as cornering around them. That has been true with most Mustangs of all types, including mine with all the great parts I have put on my car.

I'm skeptical about the improvement in handling of the GT500 until I see it back to back with other cars in real driving situations and use. The car has only been tested for it's strengths, and not for handling and breaking. That's all I'm saying. Usable power in harmony with all the other driving aspects of a high performance car. The ZL1 has already proven it's great balance and harmony between high performance driving. Erik

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

So far, it's proved only to be a "One-Trick Pony", as someone here tagged it.

No 'Ring times.

And, for all the time spent at Road Atlanta, how come no lap times, there, were given?

Beat by an '11 in the Figure-8.

"Yeah, but it STOMPS in the 1/4!"

Ford folks may be different. Maybe "balance" is NOT necessary for true enthusiast driving. Maybe all you need is a 'chute and a prayer. Maybe the cupholders are for time slips instead. Maybe the Ford GT had it all wrong. Must have; it's not around anymore.

"One-Trick Pony". Maybe Paul Simon's song will be its commercial soundtrack. Plays to it's only demonstrated strength.

Want "balance"? Buy a BOSS. Oh, and the GOOD one that's putting up the GOOD numbers, the LS, is near $50Gs, not $40 as mistakenly mentioned.

Speaking of "balance". Something that's sorely missing in much of this discussion.

"Laws of Physics"?

The 500's P2W matches a non-ACR Viper exactly. Where ya wanna run? Straight. Curves. Oval. Slalom. Pick one. Any one. Or all of 'em. And I'll BET U LOSE.

Again, "time will tell". Another direct quote.

EDIT: Eric, don't expect tea and cookies from the other side. They may consider you "Benedict Arnold" for speaking in a "balanced" way.

[A-little-perspective]

Originally Posted by eolson

This forum has the highest volume, but is laughably touchy about criticism.

These comments about the GT500 out performing the ZL1 seem to be ignoring the fact that the ZL1 so far has shown what an amazing handling car it is and still has a standing 7:41 at the Nurburgring, and easily handed the Boss LS it's ass at the road course track, so to me, if you consider accelerating, breaking and handling, the ZL1 so far owns 66.6666% of the bragging rights for most amazing sports coupe.

The 2013 GT500 still has to show it's handling and breaking with some hard lapping, and the fact that there is no Nurburgring time from Ford, and the new cars figure eight time is .2 seconds off the 2012 model, we need to see this car pushed all the way on road courses pronto.

The ZL1 can easily be pushed up in HP by Chevy, but the GT500 can not just adjust their suspension with a simple improvement and increase cornering times unless they go to a new level of commitment IMO. Erik

The ZL1 handed the Boss LS its ass at a course set up by GM. That should discount some of the ZL1's bad assery. There are exactly 2 cars that have run that course, all compared to the ZL1, I wonder why?

The VIR lap was outstanding, but done with GM's professional driver, not a Car and Driver lightning lap journalist.

Ring time was excellent.

I am sure more road courses are in the ZL1's future but I guess we have to wait for those. It would be nice to see Laguna Seca, Hockenheim, Willow Springs, Sachsenring, etc.

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by eolson

Yes, in a straight line the GT500 is the winner. In road course handling and sustained breaking the ZL1 so far is the winner until shown otherwise. For the cost of the ZL1 in it's basic sports coupe category, nothing has been shown to be able to touch it in handling yet, that's what I'm saying.

Adding a shorter pulley to the ZL1 will give it a bit more power, and take it's top speed up a bit. Beyond this if you're looking at a ZL1 with a shorter pulley, on the street, on a road course, so far the ZL1 has the better balance struck between usable and enjoyable high performance aspects of a sports coupe. Control going fast through or around a corner on the street and then having planted control accelerating out of that corner is very important on the street and a road course.

So far if you were to take the a decent spirited drive on a long mountain road, city streets, highway on ramps and off ramps, the ZL1 has more than enough usable power for any driving activity, and has better performance in handling and cornering(including powering out of a corner) as far as has been proven so far.

Absolute maximums on a drag strip and giant oval for top speed is not part of 95% of what real people will be doing with these Muscle cars.

On the street, the GT500 might not have as good of control or grip accelerating very fast over uneven surfaces, as well as cornering around them. That has been true with most Mustangs of all types, including mine with all the great parts I have put on my car.

I'm skeptical about the improvement in handling of the GT500 until I see it back to back with other cars in real driving situations and use. The car has only been tested for it's strengths, and not for handling and breaking. That's all I'm saying. Usable power in harmony with all the other driving aspects of a high performance car. The ZL1 has already proven it's great balance and harmony between high performance driving. Erik

You say 95% of people will not enjoy the maximum potential of its quickness and speed? I would wager that 99.8% of these cars will only meet in the 1/4, stop light to stop light, and bech racing the back of magazine table times. So yes what You try to minamize is actually what sells these cars. So far every braking test I've seen the gt500 stops better. As for on a longer track we must wait for your questions to be answered. By the people who tested the car, All have said the car handles like a dream and are amazed at how much ford has buttoned down the car. Not the one trick pony people describe, from people that have not driven the car no less.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

You say 95% of people will not enjoy the maximum potential of its quickness and speed. I would wager that 99.8% of these cars will only meet in the 1/4, stop light to stop light, and bech racing the back of magazine table times. So yes what You try to minamize is actually what sells these cars. So far every breaking test I've seen the gt500 stops better. As for on a Longer track we must wait for your questions to be answered. By the people who tested the car. All have said the car handles like a dream an are amazed how much ford has buttoned Down the car.

You can't base how good the BRAKES are on one bonzi BRAKE run. With performance brakes only in the front and standards in the back, the brakes won't last on a road course. Without being a pro driver, the suspention on a road course will be a problem with wheel hop braking hard for corners.

Remember sometimes you have to slow down to go faster...