2015 Mustang to gain 200-300 pounds?

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by khell86

The alpha chassis is a great chassis, but I think the main reason its doing such a great job in regards to handling is the mag ride. Will that carry over to the 6th Gen camaro? If it does then yes, the new camaro will be amazing around the track.

I think the 6th gen will probably remain the same weight, based off of ATS weights and CTS weights. So the weight advantage will pretty much be gone for the mustang. I think in the end it'll come down to that mag ride.

I will bet that the 5th Gen in performance, so ofcourse the 6th Gen will be amazing around the track! All they need to do is improve off of the 1LE or Z/28 because ford and dodged. know how great how great these cars are! So GM has everything that they need to make the 6th Gen a amazing track!

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I don't think the slight weight gain is going to impact Mustang performance. Even if they don't do anything with the 5.0, it's going to be an improved overall car. The one piece Ford has been missing is a suitable chassis, everything else is already there. I suspect people will be pleasantly surprised at track performance. Team Camaro is going to really have to do its homework for gen 6, weight savings or not.

Well, anything better than the Boss would make it amazing for Ford because the Boss was nice on the track! And that's where Ford has to improve on because GM has been killing them on the track! I won't be surprised because Ford only has one performance car to put their money in! Chevy has two!

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

I won't be surprised because Ford only has one performance car to put their money in! Chevy has two!

You mean three!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

You mean three!

I meant only two 2-door cars because nobody would care if the Corvette or Camaro performed better than the Chevy SS! Chevy can't make the Camaro perform better than the corvette! But yea, I forgot to say two 2-door performers Hahaha ...Thanx for pointing it out!

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Think of it this way. My new SS is about the same size and HP as a CTS V-Sport. It has a lot of bells and whistles that a Camaro doesn't have or didn't have at launch. The CTS V-sport is a far nicer car with a 4 year 50k warranty and a "would you like a loaner car with that oil change, SIR" every time. It can't be a Cadillac even if it is piled with features. As much as I love my SS it isn't a V-sport and it's well over $20,000 less for nearly the same performance. It's the upgrade in materials, service and experience that now make a Cadillac, not technology.

Still, the more stuff you add into the car, the more stuff you have to accelerate, stop and turn. I want performance out of my performance cars. I don't want a Best Buy dumped into the car. I don't base a performance car's value on the stuff it has in it but I am a shrinking minority.

The CTS Vsport is similar to the SS Camaro in weight and performance but twice the the cost. I don't want to pay $45k for a base SS because people want an ATS with an LT1 and a bow tie.

Adding technology doesn't improve a car like a Camaro. It makes people who don't care about performance think it's a better car.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Still, the more stuff you add into the car, the more stuff you have to accelerate, stop and turn. I want performance out of my performance cars. I don't want a Best Buy dumped into the car. I don't base a performance car's value on the stuff it has in it but I am a shrinking minority.

The CTS Vsport is similar to the SS Camaro in weight and performance but twice the the cost. I don't want to pay $45k for a base SS because people want an ATS with an LT1 and a bow tie.

Adding technology doesn't improve a car like a Camaro. It makes people who don't care about performance think it's a better car.

I respect your opinion, really I do. But GM will fail miserably if the Camaro doesn't offer the basic tech of the average Toyota, Hyundai or Ford let alone BMW and Audi. It wil be optional and I'm sur you can get a 1SS that suits your fancy. But I can also imagine a 3SS that is an awesome Chevrolet and a truly new definition of Camaro.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I respect your opinion, really I do. But GM will fail miserably if the Camaro doesn't offer the basic tech of the average Toyota, Hyundai or Ford let alone BMW and Audi. It wil be optional and I'm sur you can get a 1SS that suits your fancy. But I can also imagine a 3SS that is an awesome Chevrolet and a truly new definition of Camaro.

Exactly. I would hope the manufacturers can see that what we need is essential trim levels...within trim levels. Its not too difficult to imagine a 1SS, 2SS, 3SS for Camaro; and a GTS (a short lived option that was essentially a base v6 trimmed car with the GT drivetrain), GT, GT Premium system for Mustang being in place.

This would cover the buyers who want a low contented/low weight option, the buyer that wants all the bells and whistles, and the ones who want some but not all of the available content. Covering the widest range of buyers just makes good business sense.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Number 3

If the timing is still what is being speculated as a 2016, then the homework is done and the test is submitted. Car would be well over 80% done by now to be a 2016 and at this point you aren't taking out any more weight. Die would be as they say, already cast.

I thought the dies were typically machined rather than cast

You would know better than me though

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Exactly. I would hope the manufacturers can see that what we need is essential trim levels...within trim levels. Its not too difficult to imagine a 1SS, 2SS, 3SS for Camaro; and a GTS (a short lived option that was essentially a base v6 trimmed car with the GT drivetrain), GT, GT Premium system for Mustang being in place.

This would cover the buyers who want a low contented/low weight option, the buyer that wants all the bells and whistles, and the ones who want some but not all of the available content. Covering the widest range of buyers just makes good business sense.

Agree! This is what we need!

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I thought the dies were typically machined rather than cast

You would know better than me though

Ancient expression...which simply allows Number 3 and I to show our ages...

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I respect your opinion, really I do. But GM will fail miserably if the Camaro doesn't offer the basic tech of the average Toyota, Hyundai or Ford let alone BMW and Audi. It wil be optional and I'm sure you can get a 1SS that suits your fancy. But I can also imagine a 3SS that is an awesome Chevrolet and a truly new definition of Camaro.

Midway through Gen-2, Camaro introduced the Type LT, with spiffier exterior trim and a luxed-up interior. Take rate, as I recall, was significant.

For a 3SS, think "ZL1 - blower"...that missing price point between 2SS and ZL1 (under $50K, currently). Fertile soil...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Ancient expression...which simply allows Number 3 and I to show our ages...

Perhaps ... but you aren't old enough to have been around when Julius Ceasar crossed the Rubicon.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I thought the dies were typically machined rather than cast

You would know better than me though

Ok so I'm not quite sure if you were being tongue in cheek or technically serious

Tool time for most stamping dies can be up to a year to make and try out.

Clock starts when we see the first car in camo on the streets.

Die is cast.................meaning the dice have left your hand and influencing the outcome would be impossible

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Here's a repost of a video showing up on svtperformance. It was originally posted on mustang6g according to the watermark, yet 6g closed their weight discussion without acknowledging the reality of this video and their sanctioning of it.

Looks like you have to be careful where you get truthful Ford info from.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Perhaps ... but you aren't old enough to have been around when Julius Ceasar crossed the Rubicon.

Au contrare, mon frère. I recall that luscious babe, Eve, twearking for Adam...