GM Reveals 2014 Chevrolet SS

[flht99b]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Consider a rumored ATS-V with 400-ish TTV6 hp? Or are you guys looking for a larger car?

I'm sorry, Caddy screwed up with the ATS. Far too small and priced right on top of the current CTS. Nice car with great handling but to fully compete with the 3 series BMW GM needed to leap frog the 3 series, not just match it. Since the DTS left Caddy has nothing for their more traditional buyers, and I don't mean the social security crowd. There are plenty of folks under 55 looking for a front engine, rear wheel drive V8 mid to large size sedan with performance, style and luxury. Now you have to look at A8 Audi's, 5 series BMW's and Jag's for that. The STS and DTS offered size, style and in certain trims a decent amount of performance. The CTS-V is great but the SC LSA is just too much for a DD, a LS3 or L99 N/A version would have been nice. Down side is the CTS-V and regular CTS models values drop like a rock. Wife and I like the current CTS but are afraid of the pictures we've seen of the '14 CTS and she would prefer a V8 to a turbo V6. She even would settle for the current V6/auto trans powered premium CTS IF Caddy would fix that floppy ( reminds me of clothes on a clothes line outside ) window shade sunroof cover ( make it a hard slide like her DTS ) OR offer the CTS sedan with the premium package w/the touring and Recaro seat package but delete the sunroof, neither of which is going to happen. That's why we have hopes for a Cadillac version of the SS, upgraded interior and a few additional comfort/luxury options.
Ed M.

[STOCK1SC]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Until they line up next to each other at the 1320

A 470hp 6.4 Hemi would have no issues with this 415hp plain vanilla attempt by GM. Gotta love blind allegiance! Now if Chevy could muster up the LT1 in this they would have something, it would still have a bland exterior but at least would have the power going for it. How does Chevy do the 5th gen and the C7 to look so beautiful and then release this? I fell asleep looking at the picture of it from boredom!

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by flht99b

I'm sorry, Caddy screwed up with the ATS. Far too small and priced right on top of the current CTS. Nice car with great handling but to fully compete with the 3 series BMW GM needed to leap frog the 3 series, not just match it. Since the DTS left Caddy has nothing for their more traditional buyers, and I don't mean the social security crowd. There are plenty of folks under 55 looking for a front engine, rear wheel drive V8 mid to large size sedan with performance, style and luxury. Now you have to look at A8 Audi's, 5 series BMW's and Jag's for that. The STS and DTS offered size, style and in certain trims a decent amount of performance. The CTS-V is great but the SC LSA is just too much for a DD, a LS3 or L99 N/A version would have been nice. Down side is the CTS-V and regular CTS models values drop like a rock. Wife and I like the current CTS but are afraid of the pictures we've seen of the '14 CTS and she would prefer a V8 to a turbo V6. She even would settle for the current V6/auto trans powered premium CTS IF Caddy would fix that floppy ( reminds me of clothes on a clothes line outside ) window shade sunroof cover ( make it a hard slide like her DTS ) OR offer the CTS sedan with the premium package w/the touring and Recaro seat package but delete the sunroof, neither of which is going to happen. That's why we have hopes for a Cadillac version of the SS, upgraded interior and a few additional comfort/luxury options.
Ed M.

And ATS has kicked the 3-series's ass in most comparison tests. It's done its job, proven that GM can kill the imports when they set their mind to it.

Furthermore, it's common knowledge that ATS would overlap the current Sigma-based CTS, but only for a short while. The Alpha-based CTS is right around the corner so overlap is a non-issue.

DTS was never front engine/RWD either. STS was a good car only at launch and quickly stumbled out of the starting gate. No amount of V8/RWD powertrain could help the fact that it looked like a longer, softer CTS and had little to no updates over its life. XTS is a better car inside and out than both, despite its lack of a V8 and RWD drivetrain.

You won't see a Cadillac version of the SS. Zeta is more or less done. Wait for Omega.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC

A 470hp 6.4 Hemi would have no issues with this 415hp plain vanilla attempt by GM. Gotta love blind allegiance! Now if Chevy could muster up the LT1 in this they would have something, it would still have a bland exterior but at least would have the power going for it. How does Chevy do the 5th gen and the C7 to look so beautiful and then release this? I fell asleep looking at the picture of it from boredom!

My guess is the SS model unveiled is intended to be a direct competitor to the Charger R/T, not the SRT8.

Charger R/T - 4253lbs. 370-hp
Chevy SS - 4000lbs. 415-hp (weight is a guesstimate, based on the 3995lb. G8)

I'm also guessing that an upgraded model will be released later that would be a more direct competitor to the SRT8.

It's not blind allegiance. I just think a lot of people will be surprised by its performance when they see it at the track for the first time, that's all.

[davidcroft]

Originally Posted by motorhead

The Mopars already make more power and the computers have been cracked. For me that doesn't matter anyhow. The Mopars look a lot better than this car too. Oh and um, this car wasn't built to compete with the Challenger. It's in the same class as the Charger and 300. Notice how many doors it has.
I love that two door rendering above. Not that is has two doors but the overall look and feel of it. That's what this car should have been. That would look just as good as a four door too.

I meant charger. Dodges are sh*tboxes! No long term reliability. But you buy off looks, I'll buy off reliability and better warranty coverage.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

People just want something to bitch about. This car is cool. Go buy your challengers or imports. Neither will be as reliable...or make power as easily with mods. Aren't mopar computers locked still? LS3 is a proven platform with easy to add tons of power for not a lot of dough....and dead-reliable!

I see lots of G8 guys trading in for updated interior and new features. HUD,NAV,USB, heated and cooled seats. Hell just the seats are badass.

Haters gonna hate

LOL, you think GM has a reliability advantage over either of those ROFL. And the Mopar PCM has been cracked and tunes are available.Hemi and the LX, LY or whatever it is called now is also a proven platform. unfortunatly for the SS the Charger R/T will be nipping at it's for probably 5-10k less and the similar priced SRT will leave it sitting. Not haters are going to hate, but the car is not what it should be. it is basically a rehashed G8 GXP with a new interior and Chevy grill. Even the HP ratings are the same. Now, they may pull a GTO/SSR and the 14 be the only year with the LS3 and the 15 get the new LT1, that could make a more interesting fight.............

[Stew]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

My guess is the SS model unveiled is intended to be a direct competitor to the Charger R/T, not the SRT8.

Charger R/T - 4253lbs. 370-hp
Chevy SS - 4000lbs. 415-hp (weight is a guesstimate, based on the 3995lb. G8)

I'm also guessing that an upgraded model will be released later that would be a more direct competitor to the SRT8.

It's not blind allegiance. I just think a lot of people will be surprised by its performance when they see it at the track for the first time, that's all.

I disagree. Considering this is basically a G8 GXP that cost 40k 4-5 years ago this will definatly be competintor to the 42k SRT8 and NOT the 30k Charger R/T. It is a limited production of 5k-10k units, like the SRT, not the R/T, it is a flagship performance sedan, like the SRT and not the R/T. What it really compares to is one thing. GMs lack of bringing enough to the table is another.............

[Stew]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

I meant charger. Dodges are sh*tboxes! No long term reliability. But you buy off looks, I'll buy off reliability and better warranty coverage.

Let me guess you uncle;s, aunt's, second cousin's, best friend's high school english teacher's mother's hairdresser once had an 85 Lebaron with 150k miles that once had to have a battery replaced and it's because of that all Chryslers are "shitboxes". FYI, i have a 200k mile Dakota that disagrees with you, mind you I have also bought a 92 Lumina with well of 200k that is just as reliable for daily driving.

[SS 376]

These trolls are derailing the thread. Does anyone worth listening to know when we will get MSRP info from GM?

[FenwickHockey65]

Probably closer to launch. I'd say this summer or fall.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by SS 376

These trolls are derailing the thread. Does anyone worth listening to know when we will get MSRP info from GM?

Looks like there are threads all over with someone whining about GM not building the car they want for the price they want to pay....
GM can't win, no matter what they bring out someone will whine that it isn't enough. If the SS had 550hp and magride suspension someone would want a supercharged 700HP engine. Others would want less gadgets inside...a lot people on here act like little babies because they didn't get what they wanted...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Looks like there are threads all over with someone whining about GM not building the car they want for the price they want to pay....
GM can't win, no matter what they bring out someone will whine that it isn't enough. If the SS had 550hp and magride suspension someone would want a supercharged 700HP engine. Others would want less gadgets inside...a lot people on here act like little babies because they didn't get what they wanted...

It's GM's fault. they hyped this thing up. It has 5 major probalems going for it. 1. the G8: this is basically the same car yould buy from a Pontiac Dealership 4 years ago. The thing should have at least had a power bump. 2: price. There is no way this thing is going to be cheaper than the low 40k range. The same basic car sold for 40k 4 years ago and the exchange rate between here and Austrailia has only gotten worse, not to mention the vastly improved interior is NOT going to drop the price any. 3. the Dodge Charger: You can get a considerably more powerful and quicker entry with much more aggressive looks for roughly the same price from the SRT8, not to meant the R/T for around 30k which will perform nearly as well, and possible as well once it gets the 8 speed auto later this year. 4: style, the Gen 5 Camaro and C7 Vette have set the styling bar pretty high for anything GM is wanting to sell as a halo and perfroamnce car, and franlky, the SS doesn't cut it. 5: the name, simply calling it the SS writes checks the final result just cannot cash..... It is not a bad car and I like it, but it hardlly lives up to the hyp put out there by GM. It is nice, but hardly a "4 door corvette".

[el ess A]

The "fans" won't be able to sell it to me. You either like it or you do not. I don't. In my mind, this car does NOT rate the SS nameplate. All I could think of when I saw it is "here we go again...put an SS on ANYTHING"

I'm surprised this thread still has life. Drivetrain can't be argued with if you're a Camaro fan (transmission choices limited though, which sucks). But the car is kinda lame exterior-wise, and will be, IMO, about a big of a hit sales-wise as say, a Volt. I really do hope they limit production on these or they'll take a bath.

I think if they would have just sort of slid the cover off this thing without the pre-hype, people wouldn't "bitch" about it. I'm not bitching about it. It's an unattractive car at likely to be an unattractive price. But there will be some that wish to create a garage spot for that, and to them I say, "Good for you to be brave, going against the grain. Enjoy your Jelly Belly offering."

[detamble13]

The Pontiac G8 looks alot better / more aggressive and that went out of production in 2009 I believe. Styling wise this is a big step backwards and it really sticks out when you park the SS next to the Camaro and Corvette. There is something to be said about this car being a sleeper which I'm certain it will be. But the majority of people want the looks to accompany the performance which is why this car will not stack up to the Charger (in my mind the main competition).