5.8L Shelby Engine confirmed - Page 15

TaylorRyanSS · 10-20-2011, 12:34 AM

I know. They should have released the ZL1 sooner. Or just make the ZL1 a 2013 model.

MBK · 10-20-2011, 01:25 AM

gt500 is going to be faster but id still get the zl1 ... not that i can afford either

Blue Maro Demon · 10-20-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MBK

gt500 is going to be faster but id still get the zl1 ... not that i can afford either

How is the GT500 gonna be faster? We don't really know any real details about the car other than it will have a 5.8 liter engine and around 600hp. We know NO details of what if any technology is in the car that will help it gain traction to its tires and put all that power to the wheels or not. Too bad the Camaro has a heavy chassis I think it would be alot more evenly matched if the weight difference wasnt there. The next gen of Camaros & Mustangs will be more interesting to me because both cars should finally weigh very very similar to each other to where it will come down to who has more power, better engines, and more tech in the cars that will win.

KXRM · 10-20-2011, 03:54 AM

Yes, Ford and many other manufacturers release MY vehicles the year prior. They have done it long before I was my father's ham sandwich.

Basically I have heard 2 explanations. 1. Vehicles get released earlier than their year so that the new car buyer can have the experience of owning a car throughout the named year. This also has the added benefit of allowing them to sit on lots and still be considered new one year after they were built. 2. Auto manufacturer model years start late in the year to capture ad time for sweeps. That has progressed all the way to the Super Bowl, which is in January. So now a car company can market a 2013 vehicle in the next Super Bowl.

At the end of the day though, it's just a name. If a 2012 car from one manufacturer is built at the same time as another manufacturers 2013, they are equivalent in technology. It's not like Ford took a time machine to the future to cheat GM. It's all the same regardless of what year they want to tag on the front of it.

thePill · 10-20-2011, 04:45 AM

Someone from Romeo...

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The media giants are strange. I work in the Romeo Engine Plant and have known about the new engine for months. Yes, there is a fifty million dollar investment in the plant; this is old news that has been in process for years, though our union is taking credit for it as part of the contract highlights. No, they do not have to ask the UAW’s permission, but they let them play the game. No, the money is not all for the new engine, mainly it is for the 5.0 liter machining of con-rods and other components for other Ford engines. The niche line, which will build the engine, is down now and being retooled for the new engine, and we are excited to see production start, but the union did not win this motor, and the investment is only partially for it.

All of KXRM's points are valid. In fact, when you start comparing advantages to an early release to the disadvantages... You start to question "why would anybody do anything different?". Performance models (pretty much everything in the Mustang and Camaro lineup) absolutely have to be available before the start of the racing season regardless of MY (in the customers hand). That being said, model years can be confusing when direct competitors do an offset release of their cars. It is true that both the 2012 ZL1 and the 2013 SVT Mustang will be available to order at the same exact time so aside from the model years, they will be in the ring together. I think that Chevrolet is doing a mid model year release because they didn't intend for SVT to keep laying down aces. I would have thought that being so close to the 2015 redesign, Ford would have just continued the GT500 as is or... discontinued the GT500 altogether due to the Shelby/Ford contract ending in CY13/MY12. Now that the ZL1 will be available to order Q1, it is highly unlikely that there will be a performance upgrade until Q1 2013. Releasing a more powerful 2013 ZL1 in June 6 months after the 2012 is released would kinda upset those that are still waiting for their '12 to be shipped. If Ford can beat the ZL1 with 591hp then I expect that is what they will go with so they have room in 2014 for a bigger bang if GM does move ahead. So goes the horsepower wars, buy today... slow tomorrow...

I am still waiting for suspension and tire details, could SVT move to a Ford Racing coil over? Will the rears be 19's and exceed 305s? Will the Goodyears be swapped for Pirelli's? Will SVT and Europe's RS try the Control Blade IRS on this hopefully new "Terminator"? One thing is for sure, they aim to make the Boss look slow and the best way to do that is adopt some of the Boss's character traits and add horsepower... and a lot of it...

The current GT500 is moving alarmingly close to the GTR and Z06 for the money... If you look at the 2011 GT500 at a place like Willow vs the other two behemoths, the GT500 was 3 seconds behind on a 1:20 minute lap. Since Willow is a very fast track (fast gradual turns with few carousels), simply multiplying that 3 seconds to get an feel for where the GT500 would be at in Germany (If the GT500 wasn't limited to 155mph). That would bring the outgoing GT500 very close to the current ZL1's lap time and was said that the Black GT500 mule was the outgoing car/engine (which was very close to that 7:41). If Ford wants to win a drag race then they can point you to a nice set of Weld Racing wheels and some ET slicks because a car with a 6.1 PtW ratio is going deep into the 10s with a change of wheel/tires. It is much more of a challenge to get the car to handle and challenge more expensive hardware for half the price.

Anyway, there are strong rumors of an automatic GT500/Cobra and that the new car will NOT be in LA (just the GT). It will show itself in Detroit in January and this car is a monster... Most likely a media piggyback off the ZL1. Everyone watches the ZL1 videos, sees the ZL1's performance numbers then.... Bam!!! Thanks for advertising...

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Not really much you can say...

*GTAHVIT* · 10-20-2011, 11:21 AM

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*radz28* · 10-20-2011, 11:24 AM

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Can I just merge this into the other Mustang thread?... LOL

*DGthe3* · 10-20-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by radz28

Can I just merge this into the other Mustang thread?... LOL

Whats stopping you?

*radz28* · 10-20-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Whats stopping you?

arthritis

:emoticon7:

*GTAHVIT* · 10-20-2011, 11:39 AM

No we can't do that.... Where would Mustang fans find all this wonderful marketing material....

TaylorRyanSS · 10-20-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

No we can't do that.... Where would Mustang fans find all this wonderful marketing material....

*radz28* · 10-20-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

No we can't do that.... Where would Mustang fans find all this wonderful marketing material....

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That's the idea...

PQ · 10-20-2011, 11:58 AM

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No we can't do that.... Where would Mustang fans find all this wonderful marketing material....

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thePill · 10-20-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

No we can't do that.... Where would Mustang fans find all this wonderful marketing material....

I liked that. There are better places to get info on the new car though, there are small leaks literally every day... Better to be in the loop than to be blindsided.

10-20-2011, 12:34 AM	#197
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10-20-2011, 01:25 AM	#198
MBK Drives: 2011 SIM 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 49	gt500 is going to be faster but id still get the zl1 ... not that i can afford either __________________ Here I come

10-20-2011, 11:21 AM	#202
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

10-20-2011, 11:39 AM	#206
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	No we can't do that.... Where would Mustang fans find all this wonderful marketing material.... Attached Images __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

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10-20-2011, 03:54 AM	#200
KXRM Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 168	Yes, Ford and many other manufacturers release MY vehicles the year prior. They have done it long before I was my father's ham sandwich. Basically I have heard 2 explanations. 1. Vehicles get released earlier than their year so that the new car buyer can have the experience of owning a car throughout the named year. This also has the added benefit of allowing them to sit on lots and still be considered new one year after they were built. 2. Auto manufacturer model years start late in the year to capture ad time for sweeps. That has progressed all the way to the Super Bowl, which is in January. So now a car company can market a 2013 vehicle in the next Super Bowl. At the end of the day though, it's just a name. If a 2012 car from one manufacturer is built at the same time as another manufacturers 2013, they are equivalent in technology. It's not like Ford took a time machine to the future to cheat GM. It's all the same regardless of what year they want to tag on the front of it.