Ford Mustang GT350R

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I think you grossly overestimate the popularity of the 1LE over the Boss. People were beating down the doors for the Boss cars when they were available, and they still command very high value in resale.

Plain and simple, the 1LE is not as popular with the general car buying public as the Boss.

Lmao... Of course the Boss is more popular because its not a Package like the 1LE! Everyone seen how ppl like the boss from the car auctions! Heck , I didn't even know what the crap a 1LE was til middle of 2013!

[SpeedIsLife]

[QUOTE=Q'smuscle;8173516]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I think you'll find that even "casual" car people instantly recognize and appreciate the Boss 302s. It was a really big deal when the Boss returned in 2011 for public sale and made a lot of news too. In fact I remember in 2010 when it was announced the Boss was returning the storm of people going to dealerships to get one. The 1LE is important to a very niche group of people, most do not want the downsides that go with it.


What downside? And ppl are actually going and getting the 1LE's faster than any !

On what basis to you stake your claim that the 1LE is selling so much?

If it's true I'm happy to admit I'm wrong but I hardly EVER see 1LE's in real life, or on dealer lots. I think I may have seen 1 in the last two years.

Downsides?

It's got a really good track suspension, but it's a bit harsh for the street and conditions where there are less than ideal road surfaces (potholes, washboards, etc).

Summer only tires..

More than a few professional and amateur reviews have praised the 1LE on the track, but have said its perhaps a bit too hard for the street. Having driven and ridden in a 1LE I would agree. Fantastic track car, but not one I would want to live with on a daily basis.

[Q'smuscle]

[QUOTE=SpeedIsLife;8173540]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

On what basis to you stake your claim that the 1LE is selling so much?

If it's true I'm happy to admit I'm wrong but I hardly EVER see 1LE's in real life, or on dealer lots. I think I may have seen 1 in the last two years.

Because they are buying them up! Now days ppl are special ordering them because every time a dealer gets one it's sold already! I remember a dealer by getting two and posted it on the net and in three days both were gone . They said ppl had called in from miles away and drove from wrk to get it ! I was upset because I wanted to see it but the did have a Z/28 that thing was killer! Wanted 94k for it !

Downsides?

It's got a really good track suspension, but it's a bit harsh for the street and conditions where there are less than ideal road surfaces (potholes, washboards, etc).

Summer only tires..

More than a few professional and amateur reviews have praised the 1LE on the track, but have said its perhaps a bit too hard for the street. Having driven and ridden in a 1LE I would agree. Fantastic track car, but not one I would want to live with on a daily basis.

Well , ppl have already said that even the Z/28 isn't as harsh as some make it seam ! And that the 1LE is a little fluffy compared to their BMWs and stuff that they had owned!

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I think you grossly overestimate the popularity of the 1LE over the Boss. People were beating down the doors for the Boss cars when they were available, and they still command very high value in resale.

Plain and simple, the 1LE is not as popular with the general car buying public as the Boss.

It came down to marketing and an engine. Ford offered a car with an iconic name on a popular chassis with its own specific engine for a great price. Huge success.

GM offered a (imo) better car but with a (name/option) 95% of people never knew existed with an engine that what the same as every other ss. Had Chevy offered it with a hotter ls3 450-465hp and called it a z/28 around 45k it would have been a much bigger deal. Once again just my opinion.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

It came down to marketing and an engine. Ford offered a car with an iconic name on a popular chassis with its own specific engine for a great price. Huge success.

GM offered a (imo) better car but with a (name/option) 95% of people never knew existed with an engine that what the same as every other ss. Had Chevy offered it with a hotter ls3 450-465hp and called it a z/28 around 45k it would have been a much bigger deal. Once again just my opinion.

1LE+LS7= Affordable Z/28.

The Z/28 GM did decide to do was just ego stroking. Very very effective, but also very very irrelevant

[Bhobbs]

[QUOTE=SpeedIsLife;8173540]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Downsides?

It's got a really good track suspension, but it's a bit harsh for the street and conditions where there are less than ideal road surfaces (potholes, washboards, etc).

Summer only tires..

More than a few professional and amateur reviews have praised the 1LE on the track, but have said its perhaps a bit too hard for the street. Having driven and ridden in a 1LE I would agree. Fantastic track car, but not one I would want to live with on a daily basis.

I'm going to have to stop you right here. Yes, a lot of magazine reviewers complain that the 1LE is too stiff but I'm sure they say that just because most people want their cars to be about as stiff as a Lazy Boy. I drive my 1LE every day on the crappy roads of Southern California and have never complained about the ride. Not a single person I have driven has complained about the ride, including my mom and my grandfather who recently had back surgery and is over 80 years old. The whole "1LE ride is too harsh" is completely over blown.

[SpeedIsLife]

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I'm going to have to stop you right here. Yes, a lot of magazine reviewers complain that the 1LE is too stiff but I'm sure they say that just because most people want their cars to be about as stiff as a Lazy Boy. I drive my 1LE every day on the crappy roads of Southern California and have never complained about the ride. Not a single person I have driven has complained about the ride, including my mom and my grandfather who recently had back surgery and is over 80 years old. The whole "1LE ride is too harsh" is completely over blown.

Fair enough

[Q'smuscle]

[QUOTE=Bhobbs;8173751]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I'm going to have to stop you right here. Yes, a lot of magazine reviewers complain that the 1LE is too stiff but I'm sure they say that just because most people want their cars to be about as stiff as a Lazy Boy. I drive my 1LE every day on the crappy roads of Southern California and have never complained about the ride. Not a single person I have driven has complained about the ride, including my mom and my grandfather who recently had back surgery and is over 80 years old. The whole "1LE ride is too harsh" is completely over blown.

Huh? I didn't post this Speedislife did!

[SpeedIsLife]

It's cause the quotes system is going wonky for some reason. My comments got wrapped in with yours, no worries

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

1LE+LS7= Affordable Z/28.

The Z/28 GM did decide to do was just ego stroking. Very very effective, but also very very irrelevant

Did you think the Boss 302R or Luguna seca was irrelevant ? Any car beating cars that cost twice and three times as much as them definitely isn't irrelevant! I guess if it isn't a Porsche or Lamborghini it's not relevant!

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Did you think the Boss 302R or Luguna seca was irrelevant ? Any car beating cars that cost twice and three times as much as them definitely isn't irrelevant! I guess if it isn't a Porsche or Lamborghini it's not relevant!

The Boss LS could be had for 49K. The Z/28 had a sticker of 75K.

The 302R and S were non-vin'd, non-street legal cars.

The Mustang and Camaro always stood for blue collar affordable performance. At $75,000 that takes it out of the price range for the majority of Americans when it comes to car purchases.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

1LE+LS7= Affordable Z/28.

The Z/28 GM did decide to do was just ego stroking. Very very effective, but also very very irrelevant

Two points:

1) There was a finite number of LS7s available that, if fitted to a 1LE-style package with a mid-$50s price, would have been exhausted in the first moments of open ordering. The proof of that? What's the current inventory level for the Z/28 after the Christmas Bonus 20% discount Sale?

2) If the Z/28 is so irrelevant, then why is it's "answer" the GT350-R?

[KaBoom1701]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

1LE+LS7= Affordable Z/28.

The Z/28 GM did decide to do was just ego stroking. Very very effective, but also very very irrelevant

Z/28 irrelevant.....

That has to be the dumbest comment I've seen on these forums in a long time.

The Z/28 is kicking everyone's ass around the track. Going against cars that are 2x or 3x the cost.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Two points:

1) There was a finite number of LS7s available that, if fitted to a 1LE-style package with a mid-$50s price, would have been exhausted in the first moments of open ordering. The proof of that? What's the current inventory level for the Z/28 after the Christmas Bonus 20% discount Sale?

2) If the Z/28 is so irrelevant, then why is it's "answer" the GT350-R?

Because automotive companies enjoy "large Richard" comparisons. The 350R is basically designed to piss off other labels since it cannot be used in formal competition due to its suspension design and braking systems.

Personally I find the 350R to be as pointless as the Z/28 was and is. I'm more interested in what people are going to be able to do with the regular GT350 in amateur and semi-pro circles. When I was younger I was very very active in SCCA racing and raced at many tracks on the west coast, so class requirements do matter to me.