My RT

[Zeus]

hey Speedy, how did you make your hood scoops functional?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

hey Speedy, how did you make your hood scoops functional?

Well, if you call putting the SRT scoops in so that cool air can get in functional, then yeah. I actually did some temp probe testing and it actually made a huge difference in under hood air temps when moving.

However, they do not direct air at the air box or filter.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Well, if you call putting the SRT scoops in so that cool air can get in functional, then yeah. I actually did some temp probe testing and it actually made a huge difference in under hood air temps when moving.

However, they do not direct air at the air box or filter.

Oh ok...

Which is the better performance car? the SRT or R/T? I know stock the SRT > R/T, but how much power can each of the engines make w/o going f/i?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Oh ok...

Which is the better performance car? the SRT or R/T? I know stock the SRT > R/T, but how much power can each of the engines make w/o going f/i?

Well, since the 6.1L has more displacement, obviously it has more performance "potential".

The problem with the R/T is that the 5.7L is a brand new design for 2009. It got a cam and head upgrade which added like 80 or 90 HP over last years 5.7L power plant. There are no hop up parts for it as of yet like cams, and the heads actually flow better than the SRT version.

Personally, if I do anything it'll probably be a Kenne Bell. That's an easy bolt on 500+ RWHP and from everything I've seen their tunes are out of this world in terms of reliability.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Well, since the 6.1L has more displacement, obviously it has more performance "potential".

The problem with the R/T is that the 5.7L is a brand new design for 2009. It got a cam and head upgrade which added like 80 or 90 HP over last years 5.7L power plant. There are no hop up parts for it as of yet like cams, and the heads actually flow better than the SRT version.

Personally, if I do anything it'll probably be a Kenne Bell. That's an easy bolt on 500+ RWHP and from everything I've seen their tunes are out of this world in terms of reliability.

I thought you said that the S/C's blew the chally's engine?


So R/T has good gains through intake/exhaust/tune... but not much through heads or cam...


Do the SRT's get good numbers with heads/cam?

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by rham48

I suppose muscle car forums will never change and everybody will have an opinion as to why their car is "better" than others. I love muscle cars - period. They have always held a fascination for me, regardless of make, model or year: They are simply very cool. My first was a 74 Camaro (almost a 67), my current, a 09 Challenger. When my wife and I decided to buy a muscle car, we considered them all. She was hooked on the Camaro and I was leaning towards the Challenger, but was intrigued by the new Camaro. I have always loved Mopar, particularly the 70's Cuda's and Road Runner's.

In making my decision, I recognized I'm not 16 years old anymore, I knew I would not be racing every other muscle car I saw on the street, and I would not be running from the police or chasing my buddies on neighborhood streets with tight turns. I did know that when I found the right car, it would "speak" to me and there would be no doubt it was the right car. For me, that car is the Challenger - I have never loved a car like I do this RT. It has everything I wanted and more. Plus, my wife fell in love with it as soon as she test drove it. Plus, plus, I can modify it and turn it into a "super" muscle car with over 1000 hp if I want to.

Regardless, for those of you sitting on the fence as to which car you want, wait till you find "the one." For me, my Challenger is the most kick ass car on the road - any road. Give me a Ferrari and I would sell it to buy more Challengers (OK, maybe even a Camaro for Sundays and a Shelby Mustang for Mondays). Do some research, be patient and don't base your entire decision on magazine articles, peer pressure or opinions from all knowing "experts."

Now, let the barbecue begin...

I definately agree with what your saying about finding "the one". I myself own a 09' R/T. I simply love the exterior and the MyGig definately had me sold when I found out about burning cd's to the hard drive.

The only thing stopping me from getting the SRT-8 version was because I knew the Camaro was coming out. Next thing you know the Camaro is finally here, I didn't think the Camaro would speak to be, but it did. Haha. Before the end of November I hope to have my order in for a SS, it'll definately be before the new year. I look at it when I finally do have kids(whether its 1 or 2), I will be handing down my son either the Challenger or the Camaro whichever he decides. I most likely will end up keeping the Camaro. I never owned a true muscle car, so I'm happy to be apart of the experience.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I thought you said that the S/C's blew the chally's engine?


So R/T has good gains through intake/exhaust/tune... but not much through heads or cam...


Do the SRT's get good numbers with heads/cam?

The pistons are the weak point in the motor for sure. That's why I'm not an early adopter. I'll see how other's do, but Kenne Bell are known for producing good kits and tunes. They're taking their time with the 5.7L.

I don't think the R/T even gains much through intake and exhaust. I only picked up about 14HP. The autos may do better, but my 6 speed exhaust wasn't very restrictive, I just wanted more sound so I went with a Magnaflow. My tune was pretty aggressive stock as well so I didn't even do a tuner. The autos benefit more from a tune. The stock intake is a CAI, more so than even the Mopar I fitted to mine. I just did the Mopar because it looks nice, but I don't think it helped much in performance, maybe 5HP.

I'm still on the fence with the whole deal. Keep in mind my car came with a lifetime power train warranty, so I dunno what I'll end up doing. Intake and exhaust are fine, but tunes and obviously superchargers would definitely raise some eye brows if I ever had to have warranty work.

I've only seen one guy do heads/cam on his SRT and he got a pretty decent gain. I wanna say he got into the 11s with those mods, but don't quote me on that.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

The pistons are the weak point in the motor for sure. That's why I'm not an early adopter. I'll see how other's do, but Kenne Bell are known for producing good kits and tunes. They're taking their time with the 5.7L.

I don't think the R/T even gains much through intake and exhaust. I only picked up about 14HP. The autos may do better, but my 6 speed exhaust wasn't very restrictive, I just wanted more sound so I went with a Magnaflow. My tune was pretty aggressive stock as well so I didn't even do a tuner. The autos benefit more from a tune. The stock intake is a CAI, more so than even the Mopar I fitted to mine. I just did the Mopar because it looks nice, but I don't think it helped much in performance, maybe 5HP.

I'm still on the fence with the whole deal. Keep in mind my car came with a lifetime power train warranty, so I dunno what I'll end up doing. Intake and exhaust are fine, but tunes and obviously superchargers would definitely raise some eye brows if I ever had to have warranty work.

I've only seen one guy do heads/cam on his SRT and he got a pretty decent gain. I wanna say he got into the 11s with those mods, but don't quote me on that.

11's? no way unless he had some other mods to go with it... maybe the full make up CAI, Exhaust, Tune, Cams, Heads, and slicks...


Whats the word on the more powerful 6.4? should get interesting now that Chevy has committed on the Z28

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

11's? no way unless he had some other mods to go with it... maybe the full make up CAI, Exhaust, Tune, Cams, Heads, and slicks...


Whats the word on the more powerful 6.4? should get interesting now that Chevy has committed on the Z28

I just went and looked it up. He ran:

12.090 @ 113.29 with a 1.742 60'. He said he'd hoped to get into the 11s, but the tune isn't dialed in.

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...42-60-a-24130/

He's at over 500RWHP naturally aspirated.

However, drop a Kenne Bell on one and well.....



If they did a 6.4L THEN the SRT would be worth it. I'll upgrade if they do that.

We get to chat with the engineers about once a month on the forum. The next one is Oct 7, and I intend to ask them what their answer to the Z28 and 2010 GT500 will be.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I just went and looked it up. He ran:

12.090 @ 113.29 with a 1.742 60'. He said he'd hoped to get into the 11s, but the tune isn't dialed in.

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...42-60-a-24130/

He's at over 500RWHP naturally aspirated.

However, drop a Kenne Bell on one and well.....



If they did a 6.4L THEN the SRT would be worth it. I'll upgrade if they do that.

We get to chat with the engineers about once a month on the forum. The next one is Oct 7, and I intend to ask them what their answer to the Z28 and 2010 GT500 will be.

Ya thats very impressive, it looks like he has quite a long list of mods though.... is his car an R/T or SRT?

The Kenne bell looks sweet... how much does that system set you back?

And realistically...do you think they will produce the 6.4?

[a_Username]

I thought the R/T was supposed to compete with the SS and the STR8 was supposed to compete with the GT500 and Z/28? I mean they do not (no flaming intended), but I thought they were historically supposed to.

[a_Username]

And talk to the engineers about seeing possible places to shave some weight. That would be the muscle car of this generation if it could loose some weight!

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I thought the R/T was supposed to compete with the SS and the STR8 was supposed to compete with the GT500 and Z/28? I mean they do not (no flaming intended), but I thought they were historically supposed to.

It is Dodge's top of the line Challenger. I don't think it's meant to compete with the GT500 and there is no Z28 yet.

Originally Posted by a_Username

And talk to the engineers about seeing possible places to shave some weight. That would be the muscle car of this generation if it could loose some weight!

People keep bringing up the weight, but it's 300 lbs more than a Camaro. I guess I just don't see how that matter all that much. 75 pounds of that can differentiate just with the driver alone. I drop my spare tire there's another 30 or 40.

Unless they make the car smaller, I'm not sure where weight could be saved. The hood is already aluminum. If it were smaller, it really wouldn't be the muscle car that is is today. Maybe if they shaved 6 inches off the front and back...but I'm not sure how much weight that would save.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

It is Dodge's top of the line Challenger. I don't think it's meant to compete with the GT500 and there is no Z28 yet.



People keep bringing up the weight, but it's 300 lbs more than a Camaro. I guess I just don't see how that matter all that much. 75 pounds of that can differentiate just with the driver alone. I drop my spare tire there's another 30 or 40.

Unless they make the car smaller, I'm not sure where weight could be saved. The hood is already aluminum. If it were smaller, it really wouldn't be the muscle car that is is today. Maybe if they shaved 6 inches off the front and back...but I'm not sure how much weight that would save.

I know it's Dodge's top of the line Challenger, and since it is... Isn't the GT500 Ford's top of the line Mustang? But historically I thought that R/T are supposed to compete with the SS and the Z/28 against the STR.

300 lbs is 3/10 of a second in the 1/4... I've seen a test put the SRT8 at 13.3 and the Camaro at 13.0, so of course that amount of weight is going to make a difference.