2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Runin11z

I don't think the ZL1 is a loser, it's a great GT car very much like the CTS-V.. This is where I think GM got lazy they took all they have learned through the V's production and transferred it into a Camaro.. The V2 is a very worthy opponent to the German sedans it was chasing in its V1 stages. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure the V2 decimated the competition when introduced.. So instead of thinking ahead they rested on the credentials of the V to make the ZL1...

By the time they dropped the LSA into the Camaro they should have done a revamp to the engine for increased output, especially knowing Ford was going to protect the Mustang with a hard push back (but it was all about turning a large profit).. The potential to make an epic Camaro was there with the LS9 in the parts bin but I think they were afraid to shoot themselves in the foot kind of like what's happening with the Z/28.. This site alone should have reassured them that a high dollar Camaro would sell (just like you're planning a LPE700 package which will put the ZL1 into super car territory) if the performance was above and beyond the competition and I'm not only speaking of road course times (which do matter also)..

We live in a world now where we can have our cake and eat it too... Maybe I'm jaded because I knew what the moniker ZL1 meant before it's latest incarnation, and IMHO the new nameplate doesn't live up to the heritage...

From a post I made in another thread

Consider this (please) . Development of the ZL1 began in 2009. The goal was to answer the 2009 GT500 that made 500HP and cost $47,950. Assume GM knew the upcoming 2010 GT500 would make 550 HP and cost $48,175.

Available engines* were the LSA ($11,210) and LS9 ($20,410). Delta $9,200. Chevy chose the less expensive LSA but increased its power to 580 HP.

When the ZL1 was introduced at the Chicago Auto Show in February 2011 with a base price of $54,995, it surpassed the GT500 on both the strip and track but was expensive.

You argue that Chevy protected the Corvette by withholding the LS9 yet they introduced key C7 Corvette technology on the Camaro first.

- ZL1 introduced Gen3 magnetic ride control.
- Z/28 co-developed carbon ceramic brakes with the Corvette team and introduced them ahead of the C7 Z06

I would like a LS9 ZL1 too but recognize that given its standard content, it would have pushed the base price into the 60's. That didn't meet the market conditions AT THAT TIME. Ford was ready and one upped them in 2013 but doesn't mean they made it weak to protect the Corvette

* Prices listed are for crate engines on Pace Performance. The LSA (19260164) is the 556 HP version. LS9 (19260165)...

Your overlooking that the ZL1 is an old, and soon to be obsoleted platform and engine series. Mod it to 700 HP and it will be timelessly satisfying.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Who gives a shit about the 70s? Move on people. These right here are the golden days.

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

From a post I made in another thread

Your overlooking that the ZL1 is an old, and soon to be obsoleted platform and engine series. Mod it to 700 HP and it will be timelessly satisfying.

I like your thought but the LSA was not upgraded in the ZL1 otherwise the base crate engine would have different part numbers for the ZL1 and CTS-V no long block changes were done to increase power..

I want you to know I agree with you by saying modify the ZL1 to get it to where I feel it should be, but it would have been nice if GM did that for me

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Who gives a shit about the 70s? Move on people. These right here are the golden days.

I think all of the big three care that's why they rely on the nameplates of the past icons to sell their vehicles...

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by Runin11z

I think all of the big three care that's why they rely on the nameplates of the past icons to sell their vehicles...

So the Hellcats came out in the 70s? Cool. Didn't know that. No one did.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Runin11z

I like your thought but the LSA was not upgraded in the ZL1 otherwise the base crate engine would have different part numbers for the ZL1 and CTS-V no long block changes were done to increase power..

I want you to know I agree with you by saying modify the ZL1 to get it to where I feel it should be, but it would have been nice if GM did that for me

The 2015 CTS-V makes 556 HP, the ZL1 is 580 HP. They also designed a special rear end and transmission for the ZL1 that is absolutely bullet proof at the drag strip even with high HP mods. The ZL1 is far more than CTS-V tech transferred to the Camaro.

Its an old car, times have changed, the best is yet to come.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQtF35ZN-sw

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

We'll throw this into the mix:

HellStang Vs. Hellcat

http://www.hotrod.com/news/hellstang...rod_exclusive/

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

We'll through this into the mix:

HellStang Vs. Hellcat

http://www.hotrod.com/news/hellstang...rod_exclusive/

and it not even April 1st. Must be from that same CNN source...

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

...and I don't see anyone saying the ZL1 isn't the slower car.

Questions about the physics of the HC 1/4 claims with its p2w? check
Questions about the HC cornering abilities? check
Statements regarding the ZL1 being a more balanced, sophisticated package? check.
Statements that 700 HP is the easy part? check

I do not see the ZL1 or Z/28 as half efforts by Chevrolet so I have faith for the G6. At the same time, I didn't see Chevy building a street legal bracket racer either. I expect a G6 Z/28 (no ZL1) with optional auto and convertible (like C7 Z06) with the LT4 that is hell on the Ring and drag strip. 1/4 mile time will not be the primary concern.

Note that the car I described is the ~p2w of the old GT500! And if you think Ring times don't matter, the GT350 over there right now says otherwise. And, if you don't hear of a faster than Z/28 Ring time, Ford can't do it

Listen when you run into a Hellcat (or GT500) on the street or strip you can boast about your car’s capability with the Ring. While you are bragging about your car’s turning ability your manual ZL1 will be getting raped in all the following: 0-60, 0-100, 1/8 mile, ¼ mile, stop light to stop light, roll race (any starting speed), 1-mile race, and top-end. The ultimate face palm would be the lack of respect by the local car enthusiast gathering for even bringing ring times or lightning lap times into the conversation.
Do yourself a favor and trade in your M6 for an automatic ZL1, treat it to full bolt-ons, and go hunting for this big-game cat.

[Whos_Drivin]

The ultimate face palm is getting worked up about what someone said on the internet...

[Front Runner]

You guys need to get out and enjoy your cars more.........

[BobDigi5060]

hotlap, it's silly to bring "The Ring" into this discussion. As far as I'm concerned the car has not seen The Ring.

[BobDigi5060]

Can't wait until the Hellcat is in the hands of the masses.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Hellcat is king. All your stock Camaros are so high school. It's all over now take it like a man.