2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Did the 70 Hemi Cuda or 65 427 Cobra suddenly become a POS once a modern ZL1, GT500 or Hellcat could outrun them? The ZL1 hasn't been king since less than a year after it was introduced. We all get that. Still a great car and even better with mods.

It's not stupid to compare stock times but in the same way there will always be a guy moded faster than you, the next MY (we hope) will be better than the last. The ZL1 was a slick piece of engineering that I hope future generations will look back on with a nod of approval. We don't have to proclaim it a loser

I agree, I'm not calling the car loser. I love mine and I have stated main times that I'm sure it will still be overall the best car of the three. The sore losers are the ones making idiotic statements that it's stupid to compare stock times. Face it, we are slower right now. I'm just not draped in blue bowties enough to argue the obvious. I'm hoping this Hellcat causes GM to up the stakes on the gen 6 car.

[Whos_Drivin]

The ones who put a lot of emphasis on stock times are likely to keep theirs stock or do basic mods. Those who like to get deeper into mods typically couldn't care less about stock times. Neither viewpoint makes anyone a sore loser.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I agree, I'm not calling the car loser. I love mine and I have stated main times that I'm sure it will still be overall the best car of the three. The sore losers are the ones making idiotic statements that it's stupid to compare stock times. Face it, we are slower right now. I'm just not draped in blue bowties enough to argue the obvious. I'm hoping this Hellcat causes GM to up the stakes on the gen 6 car.

...and I don't see anyone saying the ZL1 isn't the slower car.

Questions about the physics of the HC 1/4 claims with its p2w? check
Questions about the HC cornering abilities? check
Statements regarding the ZL1 being a more balanced, sophisticated package? check.
Statements that 700 HP is the easy part? check

I do not see the ZL1 or Z/28 as half efforts by Chevrolet so I have faith for the G6. At the same time, I didn't see Chevy building a street legal bracket racer either. I expect a G6 Z/28 (no ZL1) with optional auto and convertible (like C7 Z06) with the LT4 that is hell on the Ring and drag strip. 1/4 mile time will not be the primary concern.

Note that the car I described is the ~p2w of the old GT500! And if you think Ring times don't matter, the GT350 over there right now says otherwise. And, if you don't hear of a faster than Z/28 Ring time, Ford can't do it

[URBAN LEGEND]

What does it put out RWHP wise?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

What does it put out RWHP wise?

no figures have been released yet but my guess is somewhere in the 615 - 625 wheel horse range.

No one is saying the zl1 is garbage. What people are saying is in the traditional muscle car sense the Hellcat is surpassing it. That being said the ZL1 it's still a fantastic car and I would love to have one

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

no figures have been released yet but my guess is somewhere in the 615 - 625 wheel horse range.

No one is saying the zl1 is garbage. What people are saying is in the traditional muscle car sense the Hellcat is surpassing it. That being said the ZL1 it's still a fantastic car and I would love to have one

I think 650.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

no figures have been released yet but my guess is somewhere in the 615 - 625 wheel horse range.

No one is saying the zl1 is garbage. What people are saying is in the traditional muscle car sense the Hellcat is surpassing it. That being said the ZL1 it's still a fantastic car and I would love to have one

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

I think 650.

let's see. they put one on a dyno and it "ran" 200+ mph. But they MUST have forgotten to read the hp/tq graph.

apparently they weren't "headline-worthy" enough. or would have detracted from the 707 number.

pablum being spoon-fed. embargo continues. on several fronts.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

I think 650.

That's an 8% drivetrain loss...that would be more impressive than the 707 figure.

At 15% loss I'm guessing 600 +/- depending on manual/auto

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

let's see. they put one on a dyno and it "ran" 200+ mph. But they MUST have forgotten to read the hp/tq graph.

apparently they weren't "headline-worthy" enough. or would have detracted from the 707 number.

pablum being spoon-fed. embargo continues. on several fronts.

I'll wait and see. I saw that video.

[URBAN LEGEND]

ZL1 has a prettier engine cover. Better stitching as well.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

That's an 8% drivetrain loss...that would be more impressive than the 707 figure.

At 15% loss I'm guessing 600 +/- depending on manual/auto

GT500 was 662 EHP and that was 600 plus RWHP. I'm hoping for more power than advertised as well.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

GT500 was 662 EHP and that was 600 plus RWHP. I'm hoping for more power than advertised as well.

I think the lighter CF driveshaft and manual, helped the GT500 a bit with it's dyno numbers. But, I'm sure we'll find out what the hellcat is putting down in the near future. I don't see the auto anywhere near 650, but that's just me.

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Did the 70 Hemi Cuda or 65 427 Cobra suddenly become a POS once a modern ZL1, GT500 or Hellcat could outrun them? The ZL1 hasn't been king since less than a year after it was introduced. We all get that. Still a great car and even better with mods.

It's not stupid to compare stock times but in the same way there will always be a guy moded faster than you, the next MY (we hope) will be better than the last. The ZL1 was a slick piece of engineering that I hope future generations will look back on with a nod of approval. We don't have to proclaim it a loser

I don't think the ZL1 is a loser, it's a great GT car very much like the CTS-V.. This is where I think GM got lazy they took all they have learned through the V's production and transferred it into a Camaro.. The V2 is a very worthy opponent to the German sedans it was chasing in its V1 stages. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure the V2 decimated the competition when introduced.. So instead of thinking ahead they rested on the credentials of the V to make the ZL1...

By the time they dropped the LSA into the Camaro they should have done a revamp to the engine for increased output, especially knowing Ford was going to protect the Mustang with a hard push back (but it was all about turning a large profit).. The potential to make an epic Camaro was there with the LS9 in the parts bin but I think they were afraid to shoot themselves in the foot kind of like what's happening with the Z/28.. This site alone should have reassured them that a high dollar Camaro would sell (just like you're planning a LPE700 package which will put the ZL1 into super car territory) if the performance was above and beyond the competition and I'm not only speaking of road course times (which do matter also)..

We live in a world now where we can have our cake and eat it too... Maybe I'm jaded because I knew what the moniker ZL1 meant before it's latest incarnation, and IMHO the new nameplate doesn't live up to the heritage...

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

I think the lighter CF driveshaft and manual, helped the GT500 a bit with it's dyno numbers. But, I'm sure we'll find out what the hellcat is putting down in the near future. I don't see the auto anywhere near 650, but that's just me.

You're forgetting the antiquated rear axle that's proven to zap less HP than an IRS...