2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[96MrBass]

I thought GM claimed 11.9 on a drag radial and owners have ran quicker stock where's the lie? ( mind you with only 580hp )

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

I thought GM claimed 11.9 on a drag radial and owners have ran quicker stock where's the lie? ( mind you with only 580hp )

They weren't on DRS but rather slicks which is a huge difference, and they never disclosed that until they were called out. Then the story changed. Also there are more ZL1s running in the 12's than 11's. The point in stating this is that there will be people that run low 11's as dodge states it will and there will be people run slower , but overall it will show to be faster than the ZL1. Will it be an overall better car than the ZL1, I doubt it. A lot of what we are arguing over has yet to be seen because the hellcat isn't in the hands of the public yet.

[v8]

GM did claim 11.9 and that's not the average. A few have done it, but not many. I look at the 11.9 as a hero run.

I think more people will be able to match Dodges posted times and I think it will be more of an average run opposed to a hero run.

I own a ZL1 and a GT500. The Camaro does not feel like an 11second car. I know people will say its because its so smooth bla bla bla. My GT500 feel like an 11 second car. I want to get a ride or drive one of these Hellcats (probably in the spring) and if it feels as fast as the GT500 I think I'm getting one. Problem is I will have to sell one, that's the hard decision.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Dodge claimed 11.2.....but all reviews have been hard pressed to even come close.

Not even the SRT engineer with the car could snag 11.2

Then the excuses started coming in...
1. Well the track needs to be professionally prepped by NHRA
2. You need a very skilled drive
3. Only attainable with the automatic
4. Who knows what more excuses will come

This is what happens when you try and act better than everyone else and post "Hero" stats. You shoot yourself in the foot. You can blame the 275s or the temperature or the wind resistance but in the end of the day. How they deliver the car to you is what they claim can make 11.2. In reality i think it would come down to a driver's race. The 707 is being way over hyped...it can't even beat the GT500 in power to weight ratio. Like I said the 11.2 was a hero number and a bad move for Dodge.

PS just look at the price "59950!!! And you get 11.2 at the strip!!!!"

Not true. Mandatory destination charge 60750 then automatic 62750...they can't even be honest about the pricing...

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Maybe it's similar to how Chevy claimed the ZL1 would run 11s all day then the folks with the manuals proceeded to run mid 12s-to low 13s.

You accuse Dodge of a Hero move with their claim 11:20s, okay well it hasn't been done YET! Lets use the 11:41 time which the car has already posted. This time is better than 99.9% of the stock 13/14 GT500s out there which probably have thousands of combined attempts between them, many in ideal conditions. So again where has Dodge failed in this?

[Front Runner]

It seems some people here have suffered a blow to their pride because of the media and popularity surrounding the Hellcat being rated at 707 hp. They see that their Camaro or Mustang isnt the HP heavy hitter on the block anymore. As a result, they try to belittle the HC in everyway possible instead of just accepting that it's the most powerful production pony/muscle car ever built and is listed at a reasonable price.

I'm interested in seeing what Ford & GM bring to the table to top it HP wise and how much it will cost.

[Whos_Drivin]

There are some on both sides that are getting a little too emotional about this. That said, if anyone thought they wouldn't see shit slung by camaro owners on a camaro site to the hellcat...you may have unrealistic expectations.

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

It seems some people here have suffered a blow to their pride because of the media and popularity surrounding the Hellcat being rated at 707 hp. They see that their Camaro or Mustang isnt the HP heavy hitter on the block anymore. As a result, they try to belittle the HC in everyway possible instead of just accepting that it's the most powerful production pony/muscle car ever built and is listed at a reasonable price.

I'm interested in seeing what Ford & GM bring to the table to top it HP wise and how much it will cost.

Anyone basing their pride off of a HP number might need to recheck life priorities...

You Hellcat defenders miss My point. It is not a total package. For 60k you're buying a drag car...that's it. It's still the heavy, bouncy, body rolling challenger it stems from. Peak HP and hero 1/4 miles don't sell me a car.

It's still using that ancient Mercedes frame. It has a drop in Charger interior. It's using the same sunroof that chatters at 15k miles. It has the same soft body panels that dent with to much staring. Uses the same terrible paint. It's still packing on the weight. The list goes on.

You defenders are guzzling down this Hellcat cool aid and wearing rose colored glasses. I'm a Mustang guy and can see the a ZL1 is a more COMPLETE package. Like i said IF YOU'RE SELLING A 707HP WHATEVER AND STICKING 275s ON IT THEN YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THIS ISN'T 1971.....

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

There are some on both sides that are getting a little too emotional about this. That said, if anyone thought they wouldn't see shit slung by camaro owners on a camaro site to the hellcat...you may have unrealistic expectations.

I completely agree. The problem is though that facts don't lie, and the people that are trying to argue against the facts just look like sore loosers no matter what stage is used to argue them. I'm looking to buy a Hellcat to add to the stable, but it won't replace my ZL1.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

The auto Kitty might be as quick as the manual only C6 Z06 and ZR1, but the Chevy's are faster. How does the manual Kitty stack up?

C6 Z06
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.6 @ 126mph, 3259lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 127.1mph, 3147lbs
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.8sec, 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124mph, 3180lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 122.3mph
Road&Track: 0-60 3.8sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 124mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.7sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125mph, 3198lbs
Road&Track:0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 123.7mph, 3350lbs

C6 ZR1
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 126.9mph
Road&Track: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 129mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.6sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 127mph
Edmunds: 0-60 3.6sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 126mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.6 @ 128mph
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.4 @ 128.8mph

Of course we are comparing 2014 Corvettes that I can drive today with a 2015 Challenger that isn't available yet.

Just getting you on a technicality, those are times from 2013 Corvettes that are no longer in production. There is no 14 Z06 or ZR1

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Dodge claimed 11.2.....but all reviews have been hard pressed to even come close.

Not even the SRT engineer with the car could snag 11.2

Then the excuses started coming in...
1. Well the track needs to be professionally prepped by NHRA
2. You need a very skilled drive
3. Only attainable with the automatic
4. Who knows what more excuses will come

This is what happens when you try and act better than everyone else and post "Hero" stats. You shoot yourself in the foot. You can blame the 275s or the temperature or the wind resistance but in the end of the day. How they deliver the car to you is what they claim can make 11.2. In reality i think it would come down to a driver's race. The 707 is being way over hyped...it can't even beat the GT500 in power to weight ratio. Like I said the 11.2 was a hero number and a bad move for Dodge.

PS just look at the price "59950!!! And you get 11.2 at the strip!!!!"

Not true. Mandatory destination charge 60750 then automatic 62750...they can't even be honest about the pricing...

Ok so say someone crates up their Z/28 or ZL1 and takes it over to ring and can't run the times GM posted that those cars can do it in. Or at VIR or one of the other tracks that GM has posted lap times for? Whats your reasoning? driver skill? different day? didn't have the track to themself? Despite what a ton of people say there is more skill involved in drag racing than just mashing the gas

Dodge was pretty upfront that it was done at a NHRA track, and if you have raced on both NHRA tracks and IHRA tracks there is a noticeable difference. I have raced at Route 66 in Joliet and GLD in Wisconsin, and at 66 the track prep was always better. Seeing the car run an 11.40 in August at GLD, I have no doubts this car can ran an 11.2.

Originally Posted by newmoon

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Maybe it's similar to how Chevy claimed the ZL1 would run 11s all day then the folks with the manuals proceeded to run mid 12s-to low 13s.

You accuse Dodge of a Hero move with their claim 11:20s, okay well it hasn't been done YET! Lets use the 11:41 time which the car has already posted. This time is better than 99.9% of the stock 13/14 GT500s out there which probably have thousands of combined attempts between them, many in ideal conditions. So again where has Dodge failed in this?

This is true. the 11.41 ran in august under decent conditions, I have no doubts the car can run the 11.20 dodge claims.

Originally Posted by motorhead

I completely agree. The problem is though that facts don't lie, and the people that are trying to argue against the facts just look like sore loosers no matter what stage is used to argue them. I'm looking to buy a Hellcat to add to the stable, but it won't replace my ZL1.

That would be quite the stable of cars!

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

In all fairness its the first time Dodge owners have been able to claim they're on top. They can have their day...because that's all they'll have until they run into a modded Camaro or Mustang, and have to tuck their tail and whine about their locked ECM.

Gotta love that it will take a modded ZL1 or GT500 to beat a stock Hellcat.........

[STOCK1SC]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Anyone basing their pride off of a HP number might need to recheck life priorities...

You Hellcat defenders miss My point. It is not a total package. For 60k you're buying a drag car...that's it. It's still the heavy, bouncy, body rolling challenger it stems from. Peak HP and hero 1/4 miles don't sell me a car.

It's still using that ancient Mercedes frame. It has a drop in Charger interior. It's using the same sunroof that chatters at 15k miles. It has the same soft body panels that dent with to much staring. Uses the same terrible paint. It's still packing on the weight. The list goes on.

You defenders are guzzling down this Hellcat cool aid and wearing rose colored glasses. I'm a Mustang guy and can see the a ZL1 is a more COMPLETE package. Like i said IF YOU'RE SELLING A 707HP WHATEVER AND STICKING 275s ON IT THEN YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THIS ISN'T 1971.....

And you seem to think the Hellcat is garbage in every post you make citing it will rattle and fall apart, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't have a drop in charger interior, it has it's own unique curved interior. The Challenger was never meant to weigh the same as the pony cars, it was just put into the same league with them. As for the rolling bouncing car crap you do know that every SRT vehicle is tested on a 150mph lane change maneuver right? If the car wasn't built to handle a 150 quick lane change maneuver would roll your car if it wasn't set up properly. With every statement you make it just becomes more sad. I'm just happy we have 3 powerful cars from the factory, I just find it amazing how many butthurt people there are out there. if the ZL1 was the fastest in the drags that's all we would hear and you know it! I'll sit out form now and just laugh my butt off listening to the excuses and accusations for and against, it's quite comical to see grown men so upset because Dodge built a faster car. And whoever said .2 was a lifetime int eh quarter mile, no it isn't when you have different tracks and conditions, it's jut a variable that will happen between different tracks. Give me a break!

[STOCK1SC]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

It seems some people here have suffered a blow to their pride because of the media and popularity surrounding the Hellcat being rated at 707 hp. They see that their Camaro or Mustang isnt the HP heavy hitter on the block anymore. As a result, they try to belittle the HC in everyway possible instead of just accepting that it's the most powerful production pony/muscle car ever built and is listed at a reasonable price.

I'm interested in seeing what Ford & GM bring to the table to top it HP wise and how much it will cost.

I'm really excited about the prospects of the new Mustang powerhouse coming down the pipe! I actually love the new bodystyle.

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC

And you seem to think the Hellcat is garbage in every post you make citing it will rattle and fall apart, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't have a drop in charger interior, it has it's own unique curved interior. The Challenger was never meant to weigh the same as the pony cars, it was just put into the same league with them. As for the rolling bouncing car crap you do know that every SRT vehicle is tested on a 150mph lane change maneuver right? If the car wasn't built to handle a 150 quick lane change maneuver would roll your car if it wasn't set up properly. With every statement you make it just becomes more sad. I'm just happy we have 3 powerful cars from the factory, I just find it amazing how many butthurt people there are out there. if the ZL1 was the fastest in the drags that's all we would hear and you know it! I'll sit out form now and just laugh my butt off listening to the excuses and accusations for and against, it's quite comical to see grown men so upset because Dodge built a faster car. And whoever said .2 was a lifetime int eh quarter mile, no it isn't when you have different tracks and conditions, it's jut a variable that will happen between different tracks. Give me a break!

I'm laughing at the Dodge Fanboys who think the quarter mile is the only thing that matters.... Hell modded 5.0s running 9s will destroy the Hellcat...oh right you can't improve that 11.2 because they are locking the PCM for good this time....

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Gotta love that it will take a modded ZL1 or GT500 to beat a stock Hellcat.........

Just like it would take a modded Dodge to beat the ZL1 or GT500 today. Unless you already have your hellcat....