2013 GT500 going to the Ring in April - Page 12

1ltcap · 04-25-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I think Ford is in the same boat with their 285s...for whatever reason it may be...285 seems to be the widest tire they're willing to fit from the factory...

or it could be that they tried a larger tire, and saw no improvement in handling, over the 285

LOWDOWN · 04-25-2012, 09:58 AM

Point is, regardless of OEM criteria, handling considerations...or cost considerations...Ford is building a "650hp" car with only 46% of its Curb Weight on those puny 285s. THEIR specs/recommendations, NOT "ours"...which simply means the suspension AND electronics REALLY have their work cut out for them...

One competition the GT 500 is sure to win?

Burnouts...

toesuf94 · 04-25-2012, 10:03 AM

BOTH are great cars guys. I don't fit in the Mustang and do not think the interior is that great to be honest with you. But I will not sit here and tell anyone that a GT500 is not drool worthy...cause it is!

MauriSSio · 04-25-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ltcap

or it could be that they tried a larger tire, and saw no improvement in handling, over the 285

who knows, they probably just got an awesome deal/discount for the rim/tire combo and decided to throw those on the gt500 and tried to make it work.

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Point is, regardless of OEM criteria, handling considerations...or cost considerations...Ford is building a "650hp" car with only 46% of its Curb Weight on those puny 285s. THEIR specs/recommendations, NOT "ours"...which simply means the suspension AND electronics REALLY have their work cut out for them...

One competition the GT 500 is sure to win?

Burnouts...

lets not forget were only talking about a 20mm here. a 6% difference. Given how the camaro IRS (doesnt) grips on a launch, i think it would need all the tire it can get.

1ltcap · 04-25-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

who knows, they probably just got an awesome deal/discount for the rim/tire combo and decided to throw those on the gt500 and tried to make it work.

lets not forget were only talking about a 20mm here. a 6% difference. Given how the camaro IRS (doesnt) grips on a launch, i think it would need all the tire it can get.

that could well be true.

*radz28* · 04-25-2012, 12:38 PM

More than that small tire difference, I think balance and distribution would play a more important role. I know the GT500 recently improved that balance, so that should help a fair amount, but the whole chassis will have to be up to snuff if there's any chance at using that power. If it can, it's going to be stupid-quick. If not - at least one regime will be it's dominating area.

LOWDOWN · 04-25-2012, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

who knows, they probably just got an awesome deal/discount for the rim/tire combo and decided to throw those on the gt500 and tried to make it work.

lets not forget we're only talking about a 20mm here. a 6% difference. Given how the camaro IRS (doesnt) grips on a launch, i think it would need all the tire it can get.

1) Cheaping out...doesn't sound like something SVT would do to their halo Stang, but you never know... Maybe they were concentrating on handling, trying to catch up to the BOSS LS?! The one the 1LE bettered @ VIR...

2) ZL1 rear suspension enjoys upgrades to bushings 'n such, with PTM-5 set for VHT-treated launches (quite aggressive). So having 40mm (total Section Width), or TWO INCHES TOTAL TREAD WIDTH (according to Goodyear's specs!) more rubber, combined with a 51%/49% Weight Distribution (GT 500 @ 54/46), will have SVT burnin' the midnite oil to compensate, electronically...IF POSSIBLE...

rez333 · 04-25-2012, 04:35 PM

In the end we shouldn't be fighting each other. The Europeans have been making fun of American pony cars for decades - we should be making fun of them since the Camaro/Mustang absolutely owns comparably classed cars from Europe AND Japan at considerably cheaper prices.

American muscle FTW!

chain777 · 04-25-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by radz28

More than that small tire difference, I think balance and distribution would play a more important role. I know the GT500 recently improved that balance, so that should help a fair amount, but the whole chassis will have to be up to snuff if there's any chance at using that power. If it can, it's going to be stupid-quick. If not - at least one regime will be it's dominating area.

I think people get a little too hung up on weight distribution. 50/50 isn't always ideal. It all depends on how the car's set up. The upcoming FR-S and BRZ, touted as one of the best handling cars to come out in a long time, was designed with a 53/47 weight distribution.

ffrcobra_65 · 04-25-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rez333

In the end we shouldn't be fighting each other. The Europeans have been making fun of American pony cars for decades - we should be making fun of them since the Camaro/Mustang absolutely owns comparably classed cars from Europe AND Japan at considerably cheaper prices.

American muscle FTW!

Some just like to shoot crap out of their mouths to stir the pot. The rest of us are just having friendly debates. Soon, they will shut up and think of something else like headrest of sun visor to bring up.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 04-25-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rez333

In the end we shouldn't be fighting each other. The Europeans have been making fun of American pony cars for decades - we should be making fun of them since the Camaro/Mustang absolutely owns comparably classed cars from Europe AND Japan at considerably cheaper prices.

American muscle FTW!

Doesn't matter how fast our cars are, they will still bitch about the interior.

1ltcap · 04-26-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rez333

In the end we shouldn't be fighting each other. The Europeans have been making fun of American pony cars for decades - we should be making fun of them since the Camaro/Mustang absolutely owns comparably classed cars from Europe AND Japan at considerably cheaper prices.

American muscle FTW!

they've been making fun of our cars, because they're jealous. they can't match what ford and chevy do for the money.

motorhead · 04-26-2012, 12:38 AM

I just read that the GT500 has been to the ring. No times were posted yet though. But, like I said before those times don't really mean much.

07fx2 · 04-26-2012, 12:44 AM

It's all behind the wheel that counts in my book. Cause either way preference and options is what keeps the competition going and better competition you usually get better product and a better product gets happy consumer.

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LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Point is, regardless of OEM criteria, handling considerations...or cost considerations...Ford is building a "650hp" car with only 46% of its Curb Weight on those puny 285s. THEIR specs/recommendations, NOT "ours"...which simply means the suspension AND electronics REALLY have their work cut out for them... One competition the GT 500 is sure to win? *Burnouts*...

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rez333 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Joseph Posts: 1,283	In the end we shouldn't be fighting each other. The Europeans have been making fun of American pony cars for decades - we should be making fun of them since the Camaro/Mustang absolutely owns comparably classed cars from Europe AND Japan at considerably cheaper prices. American muscle FTW!

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motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	I just read that the GT500 has been to the ring. No times were posted yet though. But, like I said before those times don't really mean much.