Mustang Fanatics SCARED and dissapointed with 2010 stang! Must read!

[Super83Z]

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...02#post5703202

Guy is a huge insider(he has been talking about the Camaro coming back since 2003) and certainly plays no favorites. Read on and you will see the 200 number. Search his posts if you think he is biased. He has forgotten more about the Auto world than you or I will ever know.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Super83Z

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...02#post5703202

Guy is a huge insider(he has been talking about the Camaro coming back since 2003) and certainly plays no favorites. Read on and you will see the 200 number. Search his posts if you think he is biased. He has forgotten more about the Auto world than you or I will ever know.

It still doesn't explain how the chassis has anything to do with the top speed the car is capable of. If a car is unstable at higher speeds, it's more of an aerodynamic issue than it is a chassis issue.

Many factors affect top speed. Weight (except very indirectly) is not one of them.
The reason is friction, of which there are three main sources: Aerodynamic drag, losses through the transmission, and tire friction. The loss from each of these sources increases geometrically with increased speed. Eventually, you reach a point where all the engine's power is being used to overcome these losses, so none is left over for acceleration. This point would be the vehicles top speed.

Weight affects none of these drag sources except tire friction, and even then, its effect is almost completely overwhelmed by aerodynamic losses.

[detroitboy]

Originally Posted by ponycrusher21

this is the major mess up with the mustang. they have a crappy v6 with 210 hp.... pathetic but how much cheaper is it than the base v6 camaro? not alot cheaper. they have a 315 hp v8... pathetic but its supposed to compete with the v8 camaro right? the closest model in performance is the gt500 (78 hp more) but a base gt500 will run you almost $20,000 more than a base v8 camaro. even a fully loaded camaro is way cheaper. now hopefully ford will step up with a newer motor, transmission (5 speed? wtf) etc. but now it doesnt make sense to me. and i wont even speak of challenger... ripoff

stupid mustangs with their good looks and not so great stock performance numbers

The new Mustang will probably run much better with the optional 3.73 gear. It might even give the Camaro a little bit of a run for its money up till about 55 mph when the torque of the LS3 starts really kicking in. But theres no comparison in bang for the buck. Have you seen Ford bragging about how good the Mustang ran at Nuremburg? Heck no....not even with the GT500 after they wasted their advertising budget on the first 3 pages of the Mustang brochure for a car the dealer would'nt even sell you (they told me to go to EBay to bid the ones they had in stock....you KNOW what I told them). Buyers paid $20,000 over MSRP for a GT500 and now they are crying in their soup because the car has no resale value. They can't even sell brand new ones for MSRP (check the reruns on EBay week after week).

I believe that the Camaro has a lot to do with the sales of the GT500 crashing. The rediculous price of the car over the Camaro is an insult to a buyer and has no basis. The lack of resale value combined with the over MSRP price the dealers had previously charged has given it a reputation as a vehicle to avoid. A Vette is a much better investment and a better car with more options anyway and always was.

If the Camaro were not going to exist I'd be at my local Ford dealer right now buying one of the new 2007 Mustang GT convertibles he has on his lot for $23,800 (yup...he has 7 of them...what does that tell you about Mustang sales?). But I'll wait for the Camaro despite whatever delays come up.

[Sleeper]

I forgot how vicious people can be towards the mustang

I am done with this thread

drive safe everyone and enjoy your camaro it's a beauty !

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by detroitboy

Buyers paid $20,000 over MSRP for a GT500 and now they are crying in their soup because the car has no resale value.

Those folks deserve what they get. I can't think of a single, die-hard Mustang person I know that ever thought the GT500 would hold it's MSRP value, let alone thousands over that price.

Originally Posted by detroitboy

They can't even sell brand new ones for MSRP (check the reruns on EBay week after week).

Well, the GT500 has been available for purchase for over three years now, so I'm pretty sure the demand is nowhere near as high as it was in 2006.

Originally Posted by detroitboy

I believe that the Camaro has a lot to do with the sales of the GT500 crashing. The rediculous price of the car over the Camaro is an insult to a buyer and has no basis. The lack of resale value combined with the over MSRP price the dealers had previously charged has given it a reputation as a vehicle to avoid.

How can a car that does not even exist yet, affect past sales? I figure the "crash", as you refer to it, had more to do with the $4-5/gallon gasoline during the past summer than anything else.

Originally Posted by detroitboy

A Vette is a much better investment and a better car with more options anyway and always was.

This is laughable at best. If someone were looking at any car as an investment (which, by the way, very few cars are and certainly not new ones) a Corvette would not make the Top 10. BTW, when they offer the 4-seat option in the Corvette, let me know and I'll be the first in line to get one.

[Max]

Originally Posted by ponycrusher21

Its not fair! If they screw up the Mustang, they wont have to pay for it! Its like all major ford fans are brainwashed to like them (I mean like MAJOR ford enthusiasts). Even if it was a **** on wheels, they would still drive it if it had a pony on it!

pull your head out of your a$$

[VICTORY RED 1SS]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

That V8 Mustang can propel from 0-60 in about 5 seconds flat....that is pretty impressive for 315 horsepower.

What will the SS do the 0-60 in?

Oh. well if thats the case with that highly technical and factual information.... then O.k you win.
The Mustang is faster.....phfft

[VICTORY RED 1SS]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

the mustang is a joke ?

I think the Nissan Altima is a joke

Altimas are good cars. Mustangs are chick cars anyway

[VICTORY RED 1SS]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

The Challenger is better than both of them LOL

It could be if it weren't a Chrysler product.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Those folks deserve what they get. I can't think of a single, die-hard Mustang person I know that ever thought the GT500 would hold it's MSRP value, let alone thousands over that price.

Well, the GT500 has been available for purchase for over three years now, so I'm pretty sure the demand is nowhere near as high as it was in 2006.

How can a car that does not even exist yet, affect past sales? I figure the "crash", as you refer to it, had more to do with the $4-5/gallon gasoline during the past summer than anything else.

This is laughable at best. If someone were looking at any car as an investment (which, by the way, very few cars are and certainly not new ones) a Corvette would not make the Top 10. BTW, when they offer the 4-seat option in the Corvette, let me know and I'll be the first in line to get one.

OK I am waiving the Flag here, Everybody knows the 2008 LS3 vette is one of the best bang for the buck sports car in the world. But back on topic please. The 2010 camaro is superior to the 2010 Mustang, it is a simple fact, it has Superior Chasis, Performance, Fuel economy etc... When they start doing tests, I have the feeling we are going to see alot of mustang fans licking their wounds.

[SIK07GTSTANG]

Originally Posted by VICTORY RED 1SS

Mustangs are chick cars anyway

Oh wow it's not like I've ever heard that one before; I've only ever seen 2 high school aged girls and about 4 middle aged women driving Mustangs in the last year and a half, and they were all GTs with the exception of one V6...seriously, come up with an insult an 8 year old wouldn't use. I mean honestly, I've seen more chicks driving Corvettes than Mustangs.

[PYROLYSIS]

I gotta admit that when I first heard that the new SS was projected over 400 HP I thought it was too much. Then I saw the pricing and its not a bad deal when you compare it to the last generations horsepower and price and then remember that was 6 or 7 years ago. With the v-6 pushing 300 Hp Chevy is ready to win the sales war because they are providing a superior product at a competetive price. If todays buyer cares anything about value and quality, then the mustang will lose on the road and the showroom.

[TonytheTiger]

They are getting there hopes up for a 5.0? That has a very small chance of happening, but still possable. 315hp is weak even if they brought the 5.0, a mustang will stil be released with 315hp T H E N a 5.0. But thats will be 2 years after the camaro is already out. That gives camaro the advantage. Switching to the 5.0 (if they do) ((which i doubt)) (((highly))) , still there is no news on the camaros great "gadgets" like IRS on the mustang. and the joe buyer that just wants a american sports car with a high dosage ofhorspower might not have any idea about the 5.0 coming out, so its just down to comparison to deal to dealer 315hp or 422hp? correct 422hp. 5.0 is not offical ls3 422hp is, heard it, saw it, tested it, loved it.

[SIK07GTSTANG]

Originally Posted by TonytheTiger

They are getting there hopes up for a 5.0? That has a very small chance of happening, but still possable. 315hp is weak even if they brought the 5.0, a mustang will stil be released with 315hp T H E N a 5.0. But thats will be 2 years after the camaro is already out. That gives camaro the advantage. Switching to the 5.0 (if they do) ((which i doubt)) (((highly))) , still there is no news on the camaros great "gadgets" like IRS on the mustang. and the joe buyer that just wants a american sports car with a high dosage ofhorspower might not have any idea about the 5.0 coming out, so its just down to comparison to deal to dealer 315hp or 422hp? correct 422hp. 5.0 is not offical ls3 422hp is, heard it, saw it, tested it, loved it.

After deciphering the coded message that was your grammar...I'm going to have to go ahead and ask why everyone in this forum is comparing a non-existent, proposed 5.0 Mustang motor with the LS3?! I mean seriously, the engine isn't even out and you're already throwing numbers around saying the Camaro is better.