NEW YEARS RESOLUTION WEIGHT LOSS THREAD 2012

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by CFD

I don't know if anyone here has ever heard of Tom Venuto, he is an all natural body builder who also has written many articles as well as an e-book. It is the most comprehensive reading on fat loss I have ever read, the name of his book is also what I practice and most who are succesful at fat loss while reataining muscle do as well. The title "BURN THE FAT, FEED THE MUSCLE" and it works.

It's like the saying "food is fuel" and that's the truth, there is an art to all of this to keep a fuller but lean look without burning too much muscle away, and yes you have to have the carbs but the right kind of cards, salads and spinach leaves, asparigus, olive oil, vinegar, helps you lose the fat, your body actually uses up more calories through digestion than it actually takes in, you just can't skip meals, or you'll get to feeling sick, Yes, I know this through experience! lol

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by CFD

I don't know if anyone here has ever heard of Tom Venuto, he is an all natural body builder who also has written many articles as well as an e-book. It is the most comprehensive reading on fat loss I have ever read, the name of his book is also what I practice and most who are succesful at fat loss while reataining muscle do as well. The title "BURN THE FAT, FEED THE MUSCLE" and it works.

Tom Venuto is my hero! I'm a big fan of Steve Cook as well. Both of them eat a considerable amount of carbs... even while cutting. I love my carbs, and choose to not live without them. Low carb works. I don't want to get into that debate. It's personal preference. But genetically, the body does use carbs more efficiently than fats. You can do it either way... the protein is what helps the muscle from deteriorating as fast.

I HATE this website... but this article and video by Steve Cook is great!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/stev...g-program.html

[BlackIce1066]

Well, I started this Jan 1 with just by cutting back on meal portions and calories. I got a late start on work outs because of the normal cold and flu stuff but I now work out 2-3 times a week. Still diet but dont starve myself and I have lost 42 lbs.

I am still going but find myself loosing motivation. But I also know I cannot stop becaue im feeling better every day I loose lbs. I have dropped from a 52 pants to a 46 and now my duty belt that I adjusted to be a little tighter is now getting lose again.

Also I do belive weight lose is also mental and if you have anxiety problems or life stresses and you use food as comfort. STOP!!! Change your thinking process.

I was at 318 and now I am at 276 and hope to loose about an other 50-60.

[Speedy1975]

CFD we can debate until we're blue in the face. I'll stick with my way. It's quick and I don't have to kill myself doing a bunch of cardio. I actually enjoy it if I'm honest...maybe I'm just sadistic LOL.

I modify my diet to be more like Bonnie's after I'm at 6-7%. I do the keto to get there quick and it works for me.

I've not lost an ounce of strength and have actually gotten stronger. I'm putting on weight for some reason but the BF is going down. That didn't happen last year so it must be this new workout I'm doing with the pyramid sets where you do about 70% 80% 90% and 100% of your max, then go back down 90% 80% 70% on each set. This is not a one rep max, but the max you can push or lift 6-8 reps. This is the first time I've ever done that work out. It's a killer but obviously it works.

When I'm older I may not be as nutty and hard core about it, but for now I'm gonna stick to my guns. People are starting to ask if I'm on steroids again so I must be doing something right.

As for natural body builders....yawn. Kind of a contradiction of terms really in my eyes. A guy I work with is always telling me I eat too much protein and blah blah blah. He had a high PSA level and rather than surgery or treatment he became a vegan so he's always preaching to everybody not to eat protein and always sending me articles on vegan body builders who I could probably beat in a contest and I'm not even close to a professional. Oh, and no, the vegan diet isn't helping his PSA....surprisingly acupuncture seems to be though.

Anyway, sorry to ramble on...I'm irritable LOL

I did have a friend just compete in an all natural body building competition. His coach is from Bulgaria or some place and had him do keto to get to 4% body fat for the competition. He couldn't even form complete sentences in the end. He was down to ONLY 8oz of water a day the week before and eating asparagus like it was cake. Then the day of the competition the coach had him do crazy stuff like eat sweet potatoes in the morning, then a snicker bar every 2 hours leading up to the show. Body building isn't to be healthy obviously, whether natural or not.

[CFD]

I'm not debating that Keto style diets shred fat, all I am saying it is a specialty type diet and not healthy. My advice to people here is to help loose fat in a safe healthy way that will eventually become a lifestyle. Keto or very low carb diets are not that and are not for those who haven't got basic diet and meal planning down pat.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by CFD

I'm not debating that Keto style diets shred fat, all I am saying it is a specialty type diet and not healthy. My advice to people here is to help loose fat in a safe healthy way that will eventually become a lifestyle. Keto or very low carb diets are not that and are not for those who haven't got basic diet and meal planning down pat.

I'll disagree that it's unhealthy. It serves a purpose and if done properly it's fine. It's not meant to be a long term deal though. Get where you wanna be, then slowly add low glycemic carbs back in to the mix for maintenance. The key is to eat lots of vegetables when on a keto diet and get plenty of healthy fats like almonds, olive oil, natural peanut better, etc.

I will agree that it is an advanced diet and not for a beginner at all. I'd never recommend it to someone who had not already mastered how to use food in a positive way and understood portion control and the 6 meals a day routine.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I'll disagree that it's unhealthy. It serves a purpose and if done properly it's fine. It's not meant to be a long term deal though. Get where you wanna be, then slowly add low glycemic carbs back in to the mix for maintenance. The key is to eat lots of vegetables when on a keto diet and get plenty of healthy fats like almonds, olive oil, natural peanut better, etc.

I will agree that it is an advanced diet and not for a beginner at all. I'd never recommend it to someone who had not already mastered how to use food in a positive way and understood portion control and the 6 meals a day routine.

Seeing that no one else is responding we may as well debate the heck out of it LOL. How can you say it's not unhealthy, you yourself mentioned the side effects you feel and the ones witnessed in others, how can that be considered healthy, plus the fact that many of your vital organs are deprived of the nutrition they need and do not perform properly including your brain!!

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by CFD

Seeing that no one else is responding we may as well debate the heck out of it LOL. How can you say it's not unhealthy, you yourself mentioned the side effects you feel and the ones witnessed in others, how can that be considered healthy, plus the fact that many of your vital organs are deprived of the nutrition they need and do not perform properly including your brain!!

I get plenty of vitamins from the veggies and supplement with a daily vitamin regimen. The memory loss is due to glucose depletion, but I wouldn't consider that a health hazard for a short period of time. Even with alcohol consumption which we can all agree is just wasted calories, I can drop 3% body fat in 2 months with very little cardio required and maintain muscle mass or in my case this round, add muscle mass.

I'm not gonna say it's a follow it forever diet because it's not, but it's certainly not a health hazard when used properly.

This is an advanced topic and I wouldn't expect most folks in this thread who are merely trying to lose a few pounds to jump in this discussion. I only post my experiences to show the far end of the spectrum. I'd love for us to put this to the test, but it's not really fair considering our age differences. You could do it your way, and I could do it mine, and in the end we calculate over all body fat % lost as well as fitness level.

I could do the test on myself both ways, but I just don't have the patience to take several months to get it done with carbs when I can do it in half the time without.

You need a good understanding of macro nutrient ratios and how manipulating said ratios affect physiology. Most folks just aren't gonna go this far.

[Speedy1975]

Crossfit Tues night trashed my abs with these hanging knees to elbows things. I did like 90 of them things and now my abs are SORE. I have Crossfit again tonight. Anyone know of any short cuts to get rid of DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness)? I don't normally get sore, and when I do just drinking lots of water does the trick, but hasn't worked for this.

[camaroitalia]

Ive been reading the debate, just dont wanna get involved! lol
Doesnt pb and almonds and veggies all have carbs though? So is it a NO carb diet or just a very low carb diet?

[CFD]

[QUOTE=camaroitalia;5017866]Ive been reading the debate, just dont wanna get involved! lol
Doesnt pb and almonds and veggies all have carbs though? So is it a NO carb diet or just a very low carb diet?[/QUOTE
They do have carbs but a small amount. Most true K to diets go as low as 35g carbs daily and some as high as about 75g daily.

[kalimus]

PB has carbs. Natural or processed, in the form of sugar. Veggies as well, although a lot of them are very, very low in carbs.

That said... Keto is unhealthy. That's why it's meant as a short term diet. For that matter, a diet very low in fat, or protein is also unhealthy. It doesn't matter WHAT you're cutting out. If you're not getting enough of either of the 3 macros, it's not healthy if you do it for a long time.

But, to play both sides... a low calorie diet is unhealthy in general (if done for too long). Camaroitalia, you've been fine, because you've had lots of unhealthy body mass to lose, which is why you can stick to calorie deficit for too long. But for someone already 10% bodyfat or below... there is only so long your body can deal with that before it becomes stressed and sick. That's why many people do their cutting in phases, and then put some weight back on. Even if it is only to allow themselves to get up to 11-13% bodyfat.

[camaroitalia]

Oh ok, I may be on the low carb side then actually... I love those joseph low carb pitas and lavashes. They only have 4 net carbs, the proteins I eat low in carbs, i eat a lot of spinach which is low as well. Only time I may actually eat a carb meal is breakfast which could be a bowl of original Fiber 1 cereal with almond milk or oatmeal. Then the rest of the day is apple slices, pb, egg whites, chicken, fish, wraps, salad, etc.

[kalimus]

Camaroitalia, if it's still working for you, keep it up No need to change what's not broken. My opinion is that you could add a serving of brown rice, or whole grain pasta/bread for one of your meals. Oatmeal is awesome. Veggies are low carb, but awesome. Potatoes are good too... and the sweet ones are even better