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[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

You think the Z/28 was targeted at the BOSS?

It was, and it's done poorly in professional racing too. The teams running Z/28's got hit with a fairly nasty point penalty because it was revealed they were cheating.

The Camaro hasn't done well in the pro circuits and such, the Corvette is where the gold is for GM.

[Doubleblank]

^^^^^^ Not where I race. Lawson Aschenbach won the series championship in 2013 and 2014 driving a Camaro. Andy Lee got 4th overall in the BestIT Camaro in 2013. Pirelli World Challenge.

[Todd in Vancouver]

Originally Posted by tooslow

What makes you think most performance car enthusiasts live in colder climates?

This was not a Canadian comment, my god you guys are really bloody sensitive about that 49th paralell. When I look at The Norther half of the US there are a lot of large cities where these type of cars are not driven much. Yes I realize California, Texas and the other states in the South buy these cars too but I could just throw it back at you Southern boys and ask what about your Northern states?

[txferrari]

Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

Think it sounds good but still not a fan of the design. Saw a GT on Friday locally and it just wasn't good in person.

Same here. They had a few GT's running an auto cross track up at the mall. Interior is still cheap. I like the front, not so much a fan of the rear. Sounded good. But no way in heck would I leave the Chevy lineup for a Ford. Just my .02.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

It was, and it's done poorly in professional racing too. The teams running Z/28's got hit with a fairly nasty point penalty because it was revealed they were cheating.

The Camaro hasn't done well in the pro circuits and such, the Corvette is where the gold is for GM.

In what way is the Z/28 aimed at the BOSS? They were trying to build a Z/28 since the 5th gen came out. One attempted created the ZL1.

Who cares about the Z/28 in pro racing? I sure as hell don't. You must be a Pill deciple.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

My point still stands that Camaro engine performance was not driven by Mustang engine performance but GM wanting to upgrade the Corvette engine.

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Seems to me you're arguing exactly the opposite. Corvette first, and Camaro "got the leftovers", as some sort of second-class citizen. Tain't true. The delays, where present, were because the Vette versions were next-Gen (specifically electronics) with next-Gen power and, as the F-bodies were upgraded, so then were their engines. Corvette, being GM's performance "halo" brand, has generally (but not always) been a Model year or two ahead of Camaro in Generational upgrades. Camaro then gets the tried-and-proven results. Camaro's intended volumes enable Corvette prices to be less stratospheric than otherwise might be the case. "Value-added". To BOTH corporate cousins.

BTW, '97 LT4 F-bodies were sold through and fully warranteed by GM, as a two-sticker build completed by SLP-Canada, as were ALL Gen-4 Camaro SSs and Firehawks and WS6s, initially. Those fully-supported two-sticker programs are now forbidden by GM edict. Otherwise, there WOULD have been LS7 AND LS9 Camaros by the spring of 2010! Ask me how I know that.

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

It was, and it's done poorly in professional racing too.The teams running Z/28's got hit with a fairly nasty point penalty because it was revealed they were cheating.

The Camaro hasn't done well in the pro circuits and such, the Corvette is where the gold is for GM.

Z/28 did just fine in the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge..

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

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Seems to me you're arguing exactly the opposite. Corvette first, and Camaro "got the leftovers", as some sort of second-class citizen. Tain't true. The delays, where present, were because the Vette versions were next-Gen (specifically electronics) with next-Gen power and, as the F-bodies were upgraded, so then were their engines. Corvette, being GM's performance "halo" brand, has generally (but not always) been a Model year or two ahead of Camaro in Generational upgrades. Camaro then gets the tried-and-proven results. Camaro's intended volumes enable Corvette prices to be less stratospheric than otherwise might be the case. "Value-added". To BOTH corporate cousins.

BTW, '97 LT4 F-bodies were sold through and fully warranteed by GM, as a two-sticker build completed by SLP-Canada, as were ALL Gen-4 Camaro SSs and Firehawks and WS6s, initially. Those fully-supported two-sticker programs are now forbidden by GM edict. Otherwise, there WOULD have been LS7 AND LS9 Camaros by the spring of 2010! Ask me how I know that.

That's exactly what I am saying. The Camaro has always been held back, until recently.

Just because GM warrantied the SLP cars doesn't mean they intended for them to exist. SLP built them because GM wasn't going to. GM let the Camaro die because it wasn't important enough to the company. I drove a 4th gen for years. I loved the car but its clear GM didn't. The car was literally falling apart around me and the only reason it is a sought after car is the LS1. Shit, the factory rear end is so garbage, people swap it out first chance they get. The dash board cracked, the center console fell apart and the window motors both failed. The Camaro performed well because of the Corvette, not because GM wanted it to.

The 5th gen Z/28 is the first time I can recall GM allowing a balls out Camaro to be built.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

The car is being unveiled in the winter months, not released.

There's a late-fall early-winter famine for auto-enthusiasts and motorsports fans, which is the business case reason for the "indoor car show season". Autoramas 'n such rely on rabid feeding from the otherwise auto enthusiast famine.

IIRC, the COPO, ZL1, GT500 (final version) and 1LE all enjoyed attention from the otherwise deserted auto enthusiast landscape. The Gen-6 Mustang was revealed last December. The Z/28 was revealed at the final "really BIG show" (NYIAS) of the indoor season. The Mustang "performer" and ATS-V next week, in conjunction with the LA Auto Show. And it's predicted that the Gen-6 Camaro will bow in Detroit this coming January.

Production and roll-out will follow, as it has for the previously-launched Models above. Nothing new. Nothing conspiratorial. It's a tried-and-proven method that's been successful for a very long time.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The 5th gen Z/28 is the first time I can recall GM allowing a balls out Camaro to be built.

I don't recall a mid-year Vette with a 302, with a cross ram and/or plenum intake and/or headers in the trunk.

I DO remember Ford offering a 302 Tunnel Port-2X4s option in the '68 Mustang brochure (along with W-code 427s), and not a single one was delivered to a paying customer.

I don't recall mid-'80s Corvettes on showroom floors with roll cages and exhaust dumps. I DO recall late-80s Corvettes with such equipment AFTER the value of a GM-sanctioned Series was proven by the '86-forward Player's/GM Challenge for F-bodies, as a proven blueprint for racing success.

http://www.cartersclassicmusclecars....g%20series.htm

Synergy is a modern word intended as "of benefit to more than one". Seems that word works for Corvette and Camaro.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by tooslow

What makes you think most performance car enthusiasts live in colder climates?

How warm will the SE be this weekend?

If this winter is like last, most auto enthusiasts will enjoy a colder climate.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Synergy is a modern word intended as "of benefit to more than one". Seems that word works for Corvette and Camaro.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Implied hierarchy

Which is to say there is no second place. The GT3, and everything else. Perhaps Ford can come better equipped next year with something to improve track performance. Although it will be going up against a Z06 - an improved version of last years PCOTY award winner.

[Smhenry]

Well they did pick the top three of the bunch, so it is not just GT3 and the rest.