The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Grape Ape]

Motor Trend's 3 way show down shows a curb weight of 3572, which means that 400hp would give it a slightly better weight to power ratio than the SS if Ford keeps the weight down. Of course no one knows how much power the 2011 Mustang will have, but I think it will be enough that tire size, tire quality, clutch action, suspension, weight distribution/transfer will be pretty important (I am assuming the same driver).

After all the R/T has 0.3 fewer lbs/hp than the GT, but the GT trounces the R/T. I suspect that Dodge is at least talking about following Ford's lead and creating a "Track Pack" to let the R/T put that power down a little better.

[nester7929]

The low weight is possible. Definitely not as low as 3300, but the Ecoboost could very well increase power and lose a few pounds at the same time.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by CaptianSam

now considering the camaro is in every way a better car..just reading the motortrend of the camparo of the chally mustang gt track pack and camaro ss...

Did you read the comparo? In terms of handling and interior design/layout MT made no bones about the fact that the Mustang was the superior car.

Originally Posted by CaptainSam

whats going to happen when the 5.0 comes?

Things will get infinitely more interesting.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by syr74

Did you read the comparo? In terms of handling and interior design/layout MT made no bones about the fact that the Mustang was the superior car.

I dunno about that...

What I read said they were equal or better on a track...but the Mustang lost its advantage on imperfect roads, and was generally far less refined than the Camaro. To most people...I imagine that's two points for the Camaro.

[Kyle2k]

So how is a mustang supposed to get a bigger engine, beefier components to handle the power, and a 6 speed transmission all with losing 200-300lbs off its curb weight?

[Xanthos]

Honestly, I hope that ford DOES come out with something like the 5.0 for the 2011 mustang. But, weight won't be 3300. I expect it to be about 3750 or so, maybe a bit lower.

Now, I also expect GM to come out with a track pack of some sort (wink wink, nudge nudge) for the camaro, putting non-track pack mustangs on par with the non-track pack camaro. And, I think the 2010 mustang redesign is the best visual design of the mustang yet. Should be for some good competition.

Now lets hope they (and dodge) do something with those abysmal six's. I don't want to have to troll for V8s with my LS (although when I'm done with it I'll probably have to anyway).
- Xanthos

P.S. -

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

So how is a mustang supposed to get a bigger engine, beefier components to handle the power, and a speed transmission all with losing 200-300lbs off its curb weight?

Exactly. Good luck with that.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by syr74

Did you read the comparo? In terms of handling and interior design/layout MT made no bones about the fact that the Mustang was the superior car.

Its the Mustang. It's always been an 'everybodies' car while the Camaro has been love it or hate it. It's when Mustang fans and SOME Dodge fans start to rub it in your face and act 12 years old about their car just being a tad bit better in several ways that it really gets my goat.

Just like this thread.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

So how is a mustang supposed to get a bigger engine, beefier components to handle the power, and a 6 speed transmission all with losing 200-300lbs off its curb weight?

no interior or wheels. actually, they "deskinned" the car, no hood, no 1/4 pnls, no exterior pnls at all, just a frame.... without an interior.... or wheels....lol

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I dunno about that...

What I read said they were equal or better on a track...but the Mustang lost its advantage on imperfect roads, and was generally far less refined than the Camaro. To most people...I imagine that's two points for the Camaro.

They also said that the Mustang had the best steering of any American car...ever, that the Mustang turns in like a race car, swooned over the front end grip, and commented that the Mustang distinguished itself from the pack in the twisties (the last remark based on Loh's comments and the first based on editor MacKenzies) I don't think there they muddled much about who gets the handling crown.

They did cite the Camaro as being more refined and notably quicker in a straight line, but they didn't gush over the handling in that same manner that they did with the Mustang.

But who knows, maybe the Mustang's handling will have GM engineers running back to the track much like the LS engines no doubt prompted Ford to develop the upcoming 5.0L V8. This just could make the world a better place for all of us.

Now lets hope they (and dodge) do something with those abysmal six's. I don't want to have to troll for V8s with my LS (although when I'm done with it I'll probably have to anyway)

At least as this relates to Ford, they have no choice. It appears 4.0L Cologne V6 production is actually already over (although Ford hasn't officially confirmed this to my knowledge and likely wont as they have no reason to do so) and Ford is simply drawing units from a supply the built up prior to shutting down the line. Unless a GTDi four appears in very short order, the only viable alternative is the 3.5L V6 since that is the only currently produced V6 that has a rwd variant.

[CaptianSam]

3300 was actually a type error. my mistake. however it is somewhat lighter... i would never buy something as shoddly made by a company by ford such as a mustang for everyday driving...
i use ford for commercial trucks and although they have lasted a long time... their are so many reason why i would never consider buying one for personal use... such as failures or breakages of speedometers. traction control, and abs failure. cheaply made hardware components such as exhaust and i dont understand how everything falls apart so fast... rattleing plastic... even in my brand new edge. which in my opinion is a great truck good on gas, and is even good looking. but its still a "fixed or repaired daily"

but as for speed and handleing is concerned maybe the mustang will surpass maybe not (the camaro)
but ceteris paribis, other than newer motor everything else is better 1000 %

it just concerns me im buying this car for road course track use and ive seen some mustangs out handle/speed porsches with good drivers

[CaptianSam]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I dunno about that...

What I read said they were equal or better on a track...but the Mustang lost its advantage on imperfect roads, and was generally far less refined than the Camaro. To most people...I imagine that's two points for the Camaro.

most track surfaces are near perfect is not already... so lets say thats equal between the two
however being more refined, having irs, is a much better point all together as most ill be driving on crappy canadian roads

[CSK001]

Hi,
Thanks for sharing your ideas and views with us. I would like to know more on this.
CSK

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by CaptianSam

3300 was actually a type error. my mistake. however it is somewhat lighter... i would never buy something as shoddly made by a company by ford such as a mustang for everyday driving...
i use ford for commercial trucks and although they have lasted a long time... their are so many reason why i would never consider buying one for personal use... such as failures or breakages of speedometers. traction control, and abs failure. cheaply made hardware components such as exhaust and i dont understand how everything falls apart so fast... rattleing plastic... even in my brand new edge. which in my opinion is a great truck good on gas, and is even good looking. but its still a "fixed or repaired daily"

but as for speed and handleing is concerned maybe the mustang will surpass maybe not (the camaro)
but ceteris paribis, other than newer motor everything else is better 1000 %

it just concerns me im buying this car for road course track use and ive seen some mustangs out handle/speed porsches with good drivers

you must have had bad luck with fords, im not even making this up but i really dont see these complaints in real life... i know plenty of ford owners and none of their cars are prone to breakage... not sure what happend with yours. to me this is the worst form of fanboy-ism saying that another cars breaks rattles and has to be repaired daily is just ridiculous... get a grip what you said is not even real. you honestly repair your ford edge every day of your life? when u just finished saying there have been no problems with it in a previous post..

fanboyizm for the loss..

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

you must have had bad luck with fords, im not even making this up but i really dont see these complaints in real life... i know plenty of ford owners and none of their cars are prone to breakage...

Well, not so much. We have an '07 Edge that had to have it's ABS/Brakes gutted and rebuilt at 9K miles because it failed on the road. Talk about a check your pants moment. Warranty won that one. Heck, I only have one working lock on my 2001 Exploder, and it's the passenger side :/. Everything and it's mother rattles in that thing as well, and the sunroof shade broke off (wat, yes it did.. I shoved it back into it's slot and haven't used it since 72K - 95K now).

Not to mention the side windows leak and all manners of fixing the weather stripping hasn't done anything. Replacing the windows isn't even on the table, so it's a "just live with it" thing. Not like it'll bring in any trade value for the Camaro.