Dodge Demon Revealed - Page 10

Tim Adams · 04-11-2017, 10:45 PM

Great car that comes up short on execution. In 68 they gave us the Hemi Darts and Cudas. Drag cars with VIN's that were street legal, and also NHRA legal. They should have put a 6 point cage in it to be legal. What they are telling you now is to race it on the street and kill yourself or someone else in the process.

unavailablezl1 · 04-11-2017, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mkorgan

Only 69 made, can't be driven on street, and the fastest one is only a second faster than the dodge. COPO is officially old news

I didn't mean to give the impression that they can be driven on the street. I just found it yesterday and thought it was interesting.

Sorry for posting old news.

detltu · 04-11-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mkorgan

Dodge makes no apologizes. They said it is meant to be a singular purpose performance car. The fact that they are not trying to be all things to all people is actually refreshing. They just proved the COPO program at GM silly. The demon is faster than the 6.2L COPO and only .95 secs slower than the fastest published stock COPO time by Chevy......oh and Dodge is make 3000 of them and it is street legal.

How do you figure? The COPO is for a specific race class. Why is that silly? Also you really think they will make 3000 of them. I would be shocked if they can sell that many. I bet it's less than a thousand.

unavailablezl1 · 04-11-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by travislambert

That's how I see it.

I have never been a Dodge fan, but we gotta love Dodge for continuing to push the limits.

+1

CamaroDreams76 · 04-11-2017, 10:56 PM

9.65@140 for a 4000+lb car....that's moving.

I'm confused about the whole concept that they made a car capable of 9s but the buyer can't even race it at a track because it doesn't have the proper safety gear necessary. So what good is the 9.65 when it'll never run being banned from the track and all... Just for d*** measuring I suppose?

jasonz28camaro · 04-11-2017, 10:57 PM

You guys saying the ford and chevy need to catch up, answer back and what not are wrong IMO. This is old news and why chevy and ford are not that interested in it probably. The new day in age is going around a track with curvs, 1/4 mile is cool but just too easy, high hp and weight for the most part. Its too easy to go straight line with big power and move the car towards the finish line that quick.

You can pickup a decent 4th gen, used 5.3 with a good size turbo and upgrade the fuel for $10k and have your 9 second daily driver 1/4 mile car. You also have a warranty, the warranty is that you didnt have to spend another $75k for the vin to say 2018. To make a car that can turn and go fast will cost a lot more.

I figured the demon would have been the new viper type car at a budget that would compete with the ZL1 and 350r but they instead renamed the hellcat to demon and added a few things.

unavailablezl1 · 04-11-2017, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 762CAT

ADM will be ridiculous...Just like Ford with 100k GT350Rs that MSRP in the 60s. Sad day.

I've said this from the beginning about GM with the ZL1. One thing they did right was selling the damn car at MSRP from day one. I applaud them for that. Maybe that is the dealer? Maybe it is influence from the company but I thought that was great.

+1

Sven59 · 04-11-2017, 10:59 PM

I hate carving canyons 1/4 mile at a time.

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Artos · 04-11-2017, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

I agree.

The Demon is EPIC. A factory stock street car that can pull the front wheels and run 9.65 is mind blowing.

Too bad not everyone can appreciate it.

Agreed...it excels for her application & Mopar should be commended for targeting it's customer base. It's still not for me as I like to turn, but man that is wicked fast if you like the straight lines.

Gonna be stupid money to own one however...adm sucks.

unavailablezl1 · 04-11-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by detltu

No doubt this is cool. Interesting to see what else there is to learn about it. Hard to argue with that kind of performance. If I hit the lottery I might try to pick one up.

That being said, a drag car that is illegal on the drag strip?
You know it will be at least as compromised as a ZL1 1LE on the road and completely useless on a road course.

If the warranty stays intact even with the added safety equipment though that's pretty impressive. It's significantly easier to add a cage and DS loop then to make a hellcat/GT500/ZL1 run the same time(and add the safety equipment). Wouldn't trade my ZL1 for it but would happily add one to the garage.

Being illegal on the NHRA tracks will only make Dodge respond to a "fully" track model with maybe roll cage, no radio, A/C, fire extinguisher, and such like the GT350R. It will just get lighter and faster.

Gonasurvive · 04-11-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wd40

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...demon-arrives/

According to this article, MSRP is $85,000, but with only 3,000 being made for the US, ADM will be significant. Six figures anyone?

The 3,000 probably are already sold out as well.

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Originally Posted by 762CAT

I've said this from the beginning about GM with the ZL1. One thing they did right was selling the damn car at MSRP from day one. I applaud them for that. Maybe that is the dealer? Maybe it is influence from the company but I thought that was great.

+1 and they probably didn't want it to compete with Corvette pricing as well.

detltu · 04-11-2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Being illegal on the NHRA tracks will only make Dodge respond to a "fully" track model with maybe roll cage, no radio, A/C, fire extinguisher, and such like the GT350R. It will just get lighter and faster.

I wonder if they can. Are there any street legal cars with factory roll cages?

AZ Charlie · 04-11-2017, 11:08 PM

Biggest downfall for sales of this car will be two seater car...they just lost half the marketplace just to save some weight...not a smart move on their part...

Beast of a car but sales will be harder as a two seater ONLY car. At least with the ZL1, Z/28 or Hellcat you have a four seater...

Artos · 04-11-2017, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RagingHawk

HP wars are going too far, how is this considered stock with drag radials, tune, seat deletes, etc....? Don't get me wrong, the car is cool, but what's the point in a car that is not usable? If you can afford a couple or multiple cars to yourself, it makes sense. For someone looking to get a muscle/sport car, and has to narrow it down to one choice, it wouldn't. Unless you're very passionate about drag racing.

I would just settle for the 392 charger. I don't see why GM needs to respond to this, it doesn't.

GM shouldn't respond IMO...it is not their core base to me anyway. Let dodge have their place in the spotlight with the 1/4 mile. It's awesome for what it is & does well. So be it.

To me, the angle should be put back into Dodge's lap as to why they cannot build a car in the $60's-$70's that is in line with the ZL1 & GT350R. They seem content to focus on the straight edge, which is OK I guess, but I'm hoping they step it up with a supposed new gen for challenger/charger that should have a whole new chassis. We shall see.

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CamaroDreams76 Tri-County Camaro SWFL Drives: 2013 IOM 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South West FL Posts: 3,382 View My Garage	9.65@140 for a 4000+lb car....that's moving. I'm confused about the whole concept that they made a car capable of 9s but the buyer can't even race it at a track because it doesn't have the proper safety gear necessary. So what good is the 9.65 when it'll never run being banned from the track and all... Just for d*** measuring I suppose? __________________ Just bolt ons........ https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343023

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jasonz28camaro Drives: 2007.5 Duramax Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 101	You guys saying the ford and chevy need to catch up, answer back and what not are wrong IMO. This is old news and why chevy and ford are not that interested in it probably. The new day in age is going around a track with curvs, 1/4 mile is cool but just too easy, high hp and weight for the most part. Its too easy to go straight line with big power and move the car towards the finish line that quick. You can pickup a decent 4th gen, used 5.3 with a good size turbo and upgrade the fuel for $10k and have your 9 second daily driver 1/4 mile car. You also have a warranty, the warranty is that you didnt have to spend another $75k for the vin to say 2018. To make a car that can turn and go fast will cost a lot more. I figured the demon would have been the new viper type car at a budget that would compete with the ZL1 and 350r but they instead renamed the hellcat to demon and added a few things. __________________ Built C6Z 600whp NA - SOLD Built LSX 96SS - SOLD 68 Camaro - 6.2/10l80, self built and tuned.

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04-11-2017, 11:08 PM	#139
AZ Charlie Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 308 View My Garage	Biggest downfall for sales of this car will be two seater car...they just lost half the marketplace just to save some weight...not a smart move on their part... Beast of a car but sales will be harder as a two seater ONLY car. At least with the ZL1, Z/28 or Hellcat you have a four seater... __________________ 2017 ZL1 A10 PDR NAV 2007 Lamborghini LP640 2010 Tundra Pre Runner 2012 Ford F450 Super Duty Prior cars: 2015 Z/28 Redline Motorsports SC725 (see profile for build details, Redline Motorsports youtube, Super Chevy article, etc) 2010 SS Supercharged with other mods...(two of this model) 2003 Lamborghini Murcielago (two of this model) 1998 Lamborghini Diablo SV 2004 Lamborghini Gallardo Ferrari 348 Spider Saleen Mustang