VW admits to falsifying emissions testing.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm not sure I fully understand all this other than VW tweaked the computer to show one set of numbers while being tested and another while driving. Really no differant than what many members of this forum do with tunes and aftermarket parts. Now I agree it probably isn't a great idea for the manufacturer to do it.

My question is with this tweak how much did fuel efficency increase? Would you as a owner want to bring your car back to the dealer for warranty work which you know will more than likely result in a drop in MPG, and possibly power. I would not period.

Is this another case of the EPA being the end all say in what they feel is correct whichever way the political winds are blowing. Does the EPA check all cars in this exact manner or did it single out VW? If it doesn't how do we know the vehicles which we are driving could hold up to this scrutiny?

VW got singled out because WVU was doing a study on TDIs and caught the discrepancies. Ironically enough, they were initially writing a paper about how well VW's diesels performed.

Since then, it hasn't just been them. The Colorado/Canyon Duramaxes were subjected to increased scrutiny before the EPA gave them a clean bill of health.

[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Shame on any manufacturers that fudge numbers. Such as my wife's 2015 Chevy Cruze 1.8 turbo that I just took on road trip for 12 total hours and the best mpg I could get was 31.4 with 91+ octane on all highway driving. I took her car to get better mpg than my camaro. The same road trip in my camaro V6, I'd get 28 and maybe 29. So much for the Eco turbo engine of chevy. I brought it to the dealers attention and they just said its driving habits. True but sir, I drove highway with cruise control on and going 70 mph the best was 31.4 mpg. The average was 30.1 mpg in a cruise. My 2005 cavalier gets 34mpg. Really, maybe chevy needs a multi billion dollar lawsuit to match VW?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Redhotls1

Shame on any manufacturers that fudge numbers. Such as my wife's 2015 Chevy Cruze 1.8 turbo that I just took on road trip for 12 total hours and the best mpg I could get was 31.4 with 91+ octane on all highway driving. I took her car to get better mpg than my camaro. The same road trip in my camaro V6, I'd get 28 and maybe 29. So much for the Eco turbo engine of chevy. I brought it to the dealers attention and they just said its driving habits. True but sir, I drove highway with cruise control on and going 70 mph the best was 31.4 mpg. The average was 30.1 mpg in a cruise. My 2005 cavalier gets 34mpg. Really, maybe chevy needs a multi billion dollar lawsuit to match VW?

To counter your claim my Spark with the CVT is rated at 38mpg highway but I get anywhere from 41 to 45 on the highway.
My 2010 Camaro V6 was rated 28mpg highway and I regularly got 30-31. My 2012 Camaro is rated 27hwy and it gets 27-28. I have noticed though my mileage has dropped this winter about 3 mpg from what it was in the summer. Maybe more ethanol in their winter blend gas has something to do with it...
Edit:
I just remembered while my Camaro was getting it's top replaced we had a Cruze Eco loaner car and just driving it around town it got over 32mpg.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Redhotls1

Shame on any manufacturers that fudge numbers. Such as my wife's 2015 Chevy Cruze 1.8 turbo that I just took on road trip for 12 total hours and the best mpg I could get was 31.4 with 91+ octane on all highway driving. I took her car to get better mpg than my camaro. The same road trip in my camaro V6, I'd get 28 and maybe 29. So much for the Eco turbo engine of chevy. I brought it to the dealers attention and they just said its driving habits. True but sir, I drove highway with cruise control on and going 70 mph the best was 31.4 mpg. The average was 30.1 mpg in a cruise. My 2005 cavalier gets 34mpg. Really, maybe chevy needs a multi billion dollar lawsuit to match VW?

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/why_differ.shtml

[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/why_differ.shtml

Very true. I'm just making a point, albeit maybe a weak one, but how interesting one manufacturer can be so isolated in this mpg war when there are so many variables in how and why gas mileage is gained or lost.
That is all!

[EricTheCamaroGuy]

And to do with that, pretty much everybody I know who owns a TDI is very upset and pretty much lose their trust in Volkswagen. Might as well NOT eat their sausages (yes, Volkswagen does sell sausages)!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by EricTheCamaroGuy

And to do with that, pretty much everybody I know who owns a TDI is very upset and pretty much lose their trust in Volkswagen. Might as well NOT eat their sausages (yes, Volkswagen does sell sausages)!

yes they do ...

Originally Posted by Denis

lighten the mood a little bit....

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/19/v...ales-official/

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Redhotls1

Shame on any manufacturers that fudge numbers. Such as my wife's 2015 Chevy Cruze 1.8 turbo that I just took on road trip for 12 total hours and the best mpg I could get was 31.4 with 91+ octane on all highway driving. I took her car to get better mpg than my camaro. The same road trip in my camaro V6, I'd get 28 and maybe 29. So much for the Eco turbo engine of chevy. I brought it to the dealers attention and they just said its driving habits. True but sir, I drove highway with cruise control on and going 70 mph the best was 31.4 mpg. The average was 30.1 mpg in a cruise. My 2005 cavalier gets 34mpg. Really, maybe chevy needs a multi billion dollar lawsuit to match VW?

Well your first mistake was buying a car with an engine that doesn't exist.

[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Well your first mistake was buying a car with an engine that doesn't exist.

Oh. Good catch. 1.4 turbo. Thank you. The 1.8 turbo was in my VW Passat that had 250000 miles and got better mpg than my 2015 1.4 turbo. Now if any one has some valuable suggestions other than keeping tire pressure or oil change or maintaining it better or winter vs. summer, which are very valid points but are all things I've considered. I'm taking it into dealer next week to let them look into brakes( which would cause a hot rim) or a computer software issue. I have a ipf tune ordered for the Cruze and that is suppose to help power and mpg.

I did not mean to jack the thread. Back to trashing on VW, because I own all Chevrolets now.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Redhotls1

Oh. Good catch. 1.4 turbo. Thank you. The 1.8 turbo was in my VW Passat that had 250000 miles and got better mpg than my 2015 1.4 turbo. Now if any one has some valuable suggestions other than keeping tire pressure or oil change or maintaining it better or winter vs. summer, which are very valid points but are all things I've considered. I'm taking it into dealer next week to let them look into brakes( which would cause a hot rim) or a computer software issue. I have a ipf tune ordered for the Cruze and that is suppose to help power and mpg.

I did not mean to jack the thread. Back to trashing on VW, because I own all Chevrolets now.

Turbos are fickle things.

If you're light on the throttle and drive like a grandma, it's completely possible to exceed the EPA estimate. My friend regularly gets the EPA estimate in her Cruze LT/RS.

If you drive the car like you would a Camaro, or by that matter any naturally aspirated car, the FE is going to vary wildly. It's why the EcoBoost F-150s were under scrutiny too, people were promised V8 power with V6 fuel economy but didn't get the memo they couldn't drive their new EcoBoosts like they did their old Triton V8s.

Given what you've said, Cruze doesn't need to run premium so you're really just wasting money there, and it could in fact affect your FE. Also, while 70 is the normal speed limit, it's not exactly the best speed to cruise at if you're trying to maximize fuel economy.

[EricTheCamaroGuy]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

yes they do ...

Now I do not want any TDI product, and that excludes the sausages Volkswagen sells.

[FenwickHockey65]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/bu...=tw-share&_r=0

Good lord VW.

[Dizzy82]

VW isn't the only one.

Mitsubishi says it has cheated on mileage tests for 25 years



http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...=ansmsnmoney11

[flyinglow57]

I got $1000 so far and rumor has it another $5000 May be on the way.... I hope something else comes out they messed up... My car still gets 43mpg. Awe hellz yea!