2015 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat from Motor Trend

[96MrBass]

Guess not, ZL1's have gone 11.6 / 11.5 but they are hero runs right?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Guess not, ZL1's have gone 11.6 / 11.5 but they are hero runs right?

Again If I use Medisin's logic then yes, they must have cheated because MotorTrend and Car and Driver say that the ZL1 is only a 12-sec car. Any faster run must be considered a hero run or a cheat and needs to be immediately discounted. Or does his logic only apply to vehicles other than GM brand?

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Another ScatPack has gone 12:15 bone stock but that doesn't count right. Where are the articles which show Motortrend or Car & Driver getting 11s out of the CTS-V, according to your logic a car is only capable of running what they say it will run, so unless you can produce the article then the CTS-V is only a low 12-sec car correct?

Of course a stock V is only a low-12 second car! When you look at the average run from the fast-list on forums and magazine tests, it is a solid low 12-second car stock. Just like when you look at the average runs the 392 is producing on the fast-lists from various forums, the 392 is a solid high 12's car just like the Mustang GT and Camaro SS.

But you're talking about hero runs so 12:15 is not 11's is it? Of course it counts. These are runs in the hands of individual owners we are comparing no? MotorTrend, Car&Driver are not individual owners are they? You want to compare what MotorTrend and Car&Driver got for the shatpack to the V?

Shatpack Challenger
Car&Driver: 0-60 in 4.4, 12.9 1/4mile at 113.0mph, 4226lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.2, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.3mph, 4235lbs*

CTS-V
Car&Driver: 0-60 in 3.9, 12.2 1/4mile at 119.0mph, 4268lbs*
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.0, 12.4 1/4mile at 117.0mph, 4292lbs

*auto

Manual to manual the V is 0.5 seconds faster and traps 4mph higher
Auto to auto the V is 0.4 seconds faster and traps 7mph higher

Now you see how foolish your statement in post #110 was. Furthermore, you specifically referred to my V in that post. My V puts 515hp to the ground. Which shatpack does that??

Originally Posted by newmoon

Again If I use Medisin's logic then yes, they must have cheated because MotorTrend and Car and Driver say that the ZL1 is only a 12-sec car. Any faster run must be considered a hero run or a cheat and needs to be immediately discounted. Or does his logic only apply to vehicles other than GM brand?

Nope, wrong again. If you're going to compare hero runs, then compare them to other hero runs. Don't compare youtube hero runs for car A to magazine tests for car B. I really shouldn't have to explain this to you.

[rocket403]

The Scatpack and the SRT are new for 15 with more HP and A8 so to compare them to the 14 model year times is not accurate. The hero runs for pre 15 MY was 12.4-12.2 now we will need to wait for the spring to see what the Hero runs are I'm thinking that they will be 11.9+-
So the SP and SRT is much faster than the GT and Camaro SS

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The Scatpack and the SRT are new for 15 with more HP and A8 so to compare them to the 14 model year times is not accurate. The hero runs for pre 15 MY was 12.4-12.2 now we will need to wait for the spring to see what the Hero runs are I'm thinking that they will be 11.9+-
So the SP and SRT is much faster than the GT and Camaro SS

I don't think you understand. The times I posted above are for 2015 Challenger shatpacks both 8A and 6M. The same magazines tested both CTS-V sedans in 6A and 6M. The V was a half second quicker and much faster.

If the shatpack runs 12.2 on a well-prepped drag-strip on a given night, the V will be faster under those same conditions (driver ability aside). Somehow the arrival of spring flips a magical switch and all the shatpacks are suddenly 11 second cars? What color is the sky in your world?

[rocket403]

Blue last I looked

You have an issue with SP I'm just pointing out that 12.2 is not a hero run for them, only reason spring is an issue is the fact that the Charger will not see the tracks till they open and we are mainly talking about the Charger on this thread. We have seen the Challenger hit the track and with little track time they are down to low 12's.
where in any of my posts have I stated that all the Scatpacks will run 11's you like to miss quote all the time.

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The Scatpack and the SRT are new for 15 with more HP and A8 so to compare them to the 14 model year times is not accurate. The hero runs for pre 15 MY was 12.4-12.2 now we will need to wait for the spring to see what the Hero runs are I'm thinking that they will be 11.9+-
So the SP and SRT is much faster than the GT and Camaro SS

Wow scat pack high 11's huh? Why in the hell would someone pay near 20k more for a hellcat and only get a few tenths less?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Wow scat pack high 11's huh? Why in the hell would someone pay near 20k more for a hellcat and only get a few tenths less?

The same reason someone would pay 30k more for the CTS-V. Which is 2-tenths faster.

[rocket403]

I think there will be some hero runs around 12.0 maybe into the very high 11's that is all I said. With runs around 12.4 to 12.15 right now with the SP A8 some with only a few passes down the track and one with a 11.85 on DR's. On the Challenger Forum some of the people with the SP feel that it is possible to go a bit faster so we will see if that can be done.

The Charger SP just went on sale couple weeks back so we will see if they are running better down the track, the best time that I have seen for the Charger SRT is 12.37 for a 2011

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Blue last I looked

You have an issue with SP I'm just pointing out that 12.2 is not a hero run for them, only reason spring is an issue is the fact that the Charger will not see the tracks till they open and we are mainly talking about the Charger on this thread. We have seen the Challenger hit the track and with little track time they are down to low 12's.
where in any of my posts have I stated that all the Scatpacks will run 11's you like to miss quote all the time.

I have no issue with the shatpack. By far the best bang for the buck in the Dodge line-up. But to imply that a R/T shatpack is going to run down a 515rwhp V2 is absurd. Even newmoon knows it.

Originally Posted by newmoon

The same reason someone would pay 30k more for the CTS-V. Which is 2-tenths faster.

Except it isn't 2-tenths faster is it? Nor is it $30k less. Nor is the shatpack a luxury car. You exaggerate like none other.

[rocket403]

Point out where I have stated that the Scatpack will run down a Caddy, Scat Pack is running similar times, you posted 12.6 times and that it is running with the GT I pointed out low 12s

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Point out where I have stated that the Scatpack will run down a Caddy

Never said you did. newmoon did in post #110. Try and keep up.

Originally Posted by rocket403

Scat Pack is running similar times, you posted 12.6 times and that it is running with the GT I pointed out low 12s

MotorTrend tested them head to head.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._gt/specs.html

GT: 0-60 in 4.4, 12.8 1/4mile at 112.2mph manual
SP: 0-60 in 4.2, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.3mph automatic

Only 2-tenths and 0.1mph difference and the Challenger had the auto.

You have any other same-day head to head runs between a stock shatpack and a stock GT? Lets see them.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I have no issue with the shatpack. By far the best bang for the buck in the Dodge line-up. But to imply that a R/T shatpack is going to run down a 515rwhp V2 is absurd. Even newmoon knows it.



Except it isn't 2-tenths faster is it? Nor is it $30k less. Nor is the shatpack a luxury car. You exaggerate like none other.

$72,195.00 base price of CTS-V
$38,495.00 base price of ScatPack
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$33,700.00 price differance.

Here is what happened when the less powerful 470-hp 392 took on the 72K CTS-V

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

$72,195.00 base price of CTS-V
$38,495.00 base price of ScatPack
------------------------------------
$33,700.00 price differance.

Here is what happened when the less powerful 470-hp 392 took on the 72K CTS-V

How original, a youtube video of allegedly stock cars on an 1/8th mile track and drivers of identical skill. Which one of those was a 2015 shatpack? Or am I to draw more assumptions from apples to oranges comparisons? There are youtube videos of ZL1's beating Hellcats...is the ZL1 the faster car? Anecdotal evidence at its finest.

Show me this $38,495 shatpack Charger for sale. Where is it? CTS-V's sell for $60k all day every day. Are you always this misinformed? $60k - $40k = $20k. As with most things, you're only off by 30% or so.