2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

It EXCEEDED the GT500 output, when engineering finalization on THAT program was signed off. 580 to 540, remember? And THEN Camaro spent their development dollars on something that SHOCKED the world, positively: something called Z/28.

Wow, you really do believe your own bullstuff! How does 580hp exceed 662hp, or 12 sec runs exceed 11 sec runs? So tell me, how the ZL1 exceeds the GT500 in performance.

The "engineering finalization" that I accurately mention was "finalized" in 2010. And WHAT was the GT500's hp in MY 10 and 11? 540. And the ZL1 was SAE'd @ WHAT? 580.

What magazine times did 10-11 GT500s run? What times did '12 ZL1s run?

Ford saved their BEST, secretly, and announced 662 HP! (for '13) on the same day as the ZL1 was revealed as a '12 MY entry, back in winter '11. By then, Team Camaro was onto the Z/28 program...which, in fact, STUNNED people with ITS intended capabilities. No Bullsh!t, but FACT!

As an aside, how would you like to have paid steep $40s for a 540 hp '10 or '11 GT500, and then have Ford OBSOLETE your car before its first oil change?! Nice!



GM could have done what Mopar just did...make a 1/2-price taxi cab that outruns your "halo ultra-performance sports car". But they haven't and didn't and won't. THAT means looking after ALL your customers, not just a few who want taxi cabs...or who invested in instantly-obsolete SHELBYS!

I LOVE people who post GM cars in their "Drives" section and then troll this site for arguments...like it's protection from being identified for what they are...

You may actually drive 1 quick Z28...but that car is a LOT swifter than its owner...

Oh, so now you are cherry picking what year and engine model the ZL1 outperformed(jury is still out on that)...nice. My Z28 smokes the 1987 5.0...cool huh?

Look grandpa, check the expiration date on your Ensure...its obviously clouding your ability to reason. When you comes to terms with reality, join the rest of us in celebrating what competition has given us... 3 solid pony cars that demand respect from the rest of the automotive world.

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

Look grandpa, check the expiration date on your Ensure...its obviously clouding your ability to reason. When you comes to terms with reality, join the rest of us in celebrating what competition has given us... 3 solid pony cars that demand respect from the rest of the automotive world.

You're wasting your time trying to debate with that guy.

He's ALWAYS right about EVERYTHING.

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

What's its MAX TORQUE rating, OEM? THAT'S where the potential problems lie...

And I NEVER heard any Dearborn dandies accuse Ford of that "mistake"...until the Hellcat arrived. Do your own research, Reaper, and stop trolling...

I'm not trolling DOWNLOW, just stating facts. Have you checked your blood pressure lately?

[HEMI DAVE]

The thread is all over the place now.

...but it's all muscle so that's on topic..........

.....and it's very entertaining.............carry on gentlemen

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by 2011shelby

FYI, the 80 in 6R80 means it's rated for 800 ft. torque.

To use LD's favorite conversation killer, REALLY?!

From F150Hub.com

6 - 6 Speed
R - Rear Wheel Drive
80 - Ford Motor Co. strength designation, nominal max input torque of 800 N-M (or 590 lb-ft)

More Ford Fact.

Originally Posted by Front Runner

You're wasting your time trying to debate with that guy.

It would seem so.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lets be serious here and not use the 79k base price. As we know most who will already offer up 79k will opt for the performance package at 86k. Just as most who purchased the 13/14 GT500 did not opt for the base car, they wanted the optional track package upgrades. For 79k-86k I really don't think that Ford would have much of a problem chasing a Z06 especially if there is 100-hp advantage right out of the gate. The upcoming GT350 should handily take care of the Z/28 for much less money. The question is will they build a new 500 to chase this Z06? Also Z06 at 79k, and the Z/28 at 75k, what was Chevy thinking in regards to the Z/28 pricing?

You said in that same post "we know most who will already offer up 79k will opt for the performance package at 86k". Then you compare $75k Z/28 to $79k Z06?? How good are the carbon ceramic brakes on that $79k Z06?

1. The Z/28 will have been available for a full year by the time the Z06 is released - I can buy it today.
2. The Z/28 is faster than any 2014 Corvette around a track.
3. The Corvette is not for everyone. Some will always prefer the muscle car look and extra room in the Z/28.

Ultimately, the Z/28 is at the tail end of the 5th gen life cycle with no competing 2014 track-oriented Corvettes to compete with, no Boss/GT500 that can match it, and Dodge...well nothing under $100k to compete. As the Z06 comes on in 2015, the Z/28 will fade out until they determine feasibility on the Alpha platform.

You keep talking about this "100hp" advantage in some mystery Ford. When did a 750hp Ford anything get confirmed, headed for production? I've combed through Ford press releases and can't find anything to corroborate this.

In reality, the 650hp Z06 is actually headed to production for Q1 2015.
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/chev...-z06/2015.html

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

The STOCK 6R80 transmission in my 5.0 will handle 800 hp. Do some research. Ford could have put it in the GT500 but choose (mistake) not to.

Originally Posted by TheReaper

I'm not trolling DOWNLOW, just stating facts.

Go to the Wikipedia page on the 6R80 and look at the list of "800 HP" Fords that get this transmission: 4-cylinder RANGERS, V6 Mustangs, Lincoln SUVs, F150s.

So, with only a 590 lb-ft rating, an Automatic GT500 could NOT have been made, could it? And now you know WHY!

It's real swell that, once again, you're sharing more FACTS.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

To use LD's favorite conversation killer, REALLY?!

From F150Hub.com

6 - 6 Speed
R - Rear Wheel Drive
80 - Ford Motor Co. strength designation, nominal max input torque of 800 N-M (or 590 lb-ft)

More Ford Fact.



It would seem so.

Joe you may very well be right, but everything I found says 800 lb ft for the 6r80. But that's all on forums so it could be wrong....I'd like to find something official lol. I honestly don't know lol

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

In reality,

Med, that's NOT the world they're living in.

"Hypothetically", they're going to CONQUER the Automotive World with a 4-place Coupe that will flat-out EMBARRASS everyone else, regardless of Make - Model - Track

And they're gonna sell it for a price that has every Lambo wall-hanging teenager with a paper route SMASHING their piggy banks to find FULL PAYMENT!

For the 1/18-scale model.

Now that's a FACT.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Joe you may very well be right, but everything I found says 800 lb ft for the 6r80. lol

"Hypothetically speaking":

http://www.f150hub.com/trans/6R-80.html

Sorry, NOT hypothetically speaking.

FACT.

Just like GM's new 8L90, housed in C7 Corvettes shortly, is rated @ 900 N-M, or 663 lb-ft.

And THAT'S why the Z06 got it.

More FACT.

There are people showing up here, looking for a "gun fight", while only equipped with rubber-bladed Pablum SPOONS.

Even MORE FACT.

Think about it: Why would Ford pay the license fee to ZF to build a transmission that sees/saw duty in 4-cylinder RANGERS and V6 Mustangs, and build it to an 800 lb-ft rating? And STILL suffer the issues with it that they have?

590 lb-ft is your answer.

FACT.

Maybe Ford will use the 6R140 Power Stroke trans, as LD suggested.

Hypothetically.

[rocket403]

Limiting factor with all the cars the big 3 are making and have made is the trans torque rating, I guess Ford will need to develop a trans like the ZF8 or get the ZF8 to move forward with an high hp Auto Mustang. I don't know if they have one or if there is one in development.

My friend built a 84 Hurst Olds powered by a 425 Rocket it took out 2 th400 trans before it could be built strong enough to take the torque from that engine.

[rayzazoo]

[rocket403]

Ray you going to order the Hellcat?

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I guess Ford will need to develop a trans like the ZF8 or get the ZF8 to move forward with an high hp Auto Mustang. I don't know if they have one or if there is one in development.

Speaking of Pablum spoons, READ Wiki on the 6R80 Ford trans. It's NOT "Developed by Ford", it's developed BY ZF, and licensed to Ford.