Positive run-in with some cops yesterday - Page 2

Squillo · 12-15-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlessKane

Eh, I don't know. To me one of those cards could turn a completely normal "I'm going to ask this guy to see his license and if things are cool, let him go" officer/situation to a "Ah...so this guy wants to be a smart a$$ and give me a goofy card. Lets have some fun with this a$$hole." officer/situation.

Not to mention - I would probably lose the card and/or it'd be in such bad condition it'd be useless. I rarely have any contact with LEOs where I am. Roadblocks, speeding, etc etc. That guy either encounters them a lot or goes around fishing for responses to his card.

No, it's non-confrontational way to say "I'm not going to allow you to abuse me, or take away my constitutional rights."

But, if you want to freely give up your rights, that's completely up to you.

NeedlessKane · 12-15-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Squillo

No, it's non-confrontational way to say "I'm not going to allow you to abuse me, or take away my constitutional rights."

But, if you want to freely give up your rights, that's completely up to you.

Haha - no one said anything about freely giving up rights however I guess in dealing with the LEO last night I did. Took me by surprise and i just answered. I won't do it again, I just feel that a pre-preemptive strike with a "you won't f*ck me over card" probably isn't the best way to go about it.

What has been your experience using one of those cards?

NeedlessKane · 12-15-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wer2foxs

One of the members of the Indy Nexgen Camaro club is a state policeman and is a one the pillars of the group. He's a car guy through and through. He either helps or organizes a lot of the club activities for us. He's an awesome guy and to hear him talk that he gets in his and hits it to see what it has is pretty darn cool! I won't call him out because I don't want to overstep my boundaries but I bet he answers this thread before it is over with. He reads them all. He's a great guy and glad he represents our law enforcement.

Yes, that would be interesting to hear his opinion.

2012-1822 · 12-15-2013, 02:32 PM

A while back I pulled up on a wreck at a decent sized intersection, 5 or 6 cops there. I didn't speak to them. But the youngest cop there was staring at my car the whole time. I might have gotten mad at him for drooling on it, but it was raining anyway.

Yeah, that video, I don't know. I don't like road blocks, but that definitely does not have to be that difficult, unless you are doing something illegal. I mean if you're not drunk, you're not carrying four pounds of weed, you didn't just steal the car you're in, it's not that big a deal to talk to a cop.

Squillo · 12-15-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlessKane

What has been your experience using one of those cards?

Just like the video at a DUI checkpoint.

Also, even answering where you are going is freely giving up your rights.

NeedlessKane · 12-15-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Squillo

Just like the video at a DUI checkpoint.

Also, even answering where you are going is freely giving up your rights.

Re: the card - That's good - glad that your experience has been worth using the card.

Re: rights - yes, I admitted that in my previous post. Caught me off guard and I didn't really realize it until it was over with. Live and learn!

BZapp725 · 12-15-2013, 05:18 PM

Is your car tinted and if so what affect did that have? Of course it doesn't matter if your state allows it dark but mine allows only 70.

NeedlessKane · 12-15-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BZapp725

Is your car tinted and if so what affect did that have? Of course it doesn't matter if your state allows it dark but mine allows only 70.

My car is tinted - previous owner did it. I have NO idea what level of tint is on it. I haven't had anyone say otherwise. The car salesman said "The windows are tinted...hope it's legal! haha!" - yeah you and me both!

BlaqWhole · 12-15-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Squillo

I think this guy does it the best.

So this video just shows some tool who has nothing better to do than set up a cam and go driving looking for check points so he can "flex some muscle"? And exactly what muscle did he flex? I've been through several check points. And in the time it took for the officer to read that card, its much easier to just answer "no" when they ask you if you've had something to drink. Everything the first officer did AFTER reading the card is exactly what he would have done even if the card was not presented in the first place...as shown by the second officer. This kid looks like hes just trying to impress people with his basic skills knowledge of the law.

fish907 · 12-15-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So this video just shows some tool who has nothing better to do than set up a cam and go driving looking for check points so he can "flex some muscle"? And exactly what muscle did he flex? I've been through several check points. And in the time it took for the officer to read that card, its much easier to just answer "no" when they ask you if you've had something to drink. Everything the first officer did AFTER reading the card is exactly what he would have done even if the card was not presented in the first place...as shown by the second officer. This kid looks like hes just trying to impress people with his basic skills knowledge of the law.

There are things that are more important to some people than convenience. So, in your case, it has been easier to go along with it. You willfully give up your rights to save some time. Not everyone finds their rights to be so trivial.

After the second encounter in the video, the passenger asks "so what the **** is the point?" (of even having the checkpoint, since they were let through with no questions asked). The point is to condition individuals into giving up their rights, a little bit at a time.

Another example is the TSA checkpoints at the airport. Do you really believe they are there to catch 'terrorists'? I think, in part, these checkpoints exist to get people used to being searched, conditioned to accept loss of freedom and increased governmental control ... just a little bit at a time.

Bad@ssCamaro · 12-15-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fish907

There are things that are more important to some people than convenience. So, in your case, it has been easier to go along with it. You willfully give up your rights to save some time. Not everyone finds their rights to be so trivial.

After the second encounter in the video, the passenger asks "so what the **** is the point?" (of even having the checkpoint, since they were let through with no questions asked). The point is to condition individuals into giving up their rights, a little bit at a time.

Another example is the TSA checkpoints at the airport. Do you really believe they are there to catch 'terrorists'? I think, in part, these checkpoints exist to get people used to being searched, conditioned to accept loss of freedom and increased governmental control ... just a little bit at a time.

Yes, but the TSA checkpoints were created after the 9/11 attacks because I'm sure a lot of people don't mind giving up a little bit of their rights so they have an opportunity to live a little longer.

IBTL

batman53201 · 12-15-2013, 09:18 PM

oh boy. tinfoil hat time

shibbs · 12-15-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by batman53201

oh boy. tinfoil hat time

Nailed it.

fish907 · 12-15-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by batman53201

oh boy. tinfoil hat time

While you make such a compelling argument, there's no conspiracy theories here. You only have to be semi-aware of what is going on in this world to realize that personal privacy and individual freedoms are being attacked.

How do you get people to accept changes like this? Fear and conditioning, for starters. Look up and you already have someone here that is willing to give up some rights in order to feel more secure, and another just to save some time and hassle. Where's the line, though? You give up too many rights, you don't get to draw it.

Yeah, I know I'm pushing it with the mods, and the irony of this thread being locked won't be lost on me.

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