firearm's thread

[GaBoy25]

Originally Posted by kalimus

I wasn't disputing hypocrite or not. I was just pointing out that they are not the same comparison. Comparing your children to the President's is apples and oranges. Sorry. That's just the way it is. And why ask Adam Lanza? Because he was crazy? Because I know the reason he picked that school? Which do you think he would pick if all things were equal? Obviously a personal vendetta or anger is not random. So... kind of irrelevant.



None? That's dependant completely on your child's school. There are many schools that have armed guards/cops/SRO's. Columbine for instance had them (didn't prevent it, but at least kept it from being worse?). And who should push that anyway? Lawmakers to the school, or parents to the school? I would think the latter. Just my opinion. And that issue was addressed by one of his EO's (number 18 I think?).

Look, all I'm saying is that the ad, no matter what my personal feelings were, is a bad comparison of anything. That's like thinking we all need private security in the same manner that high officials or other high profile "potential targets" need. That's simply not true. Same with the family. Not saying our families aren't as important, or that we shouldn't protect them, or that we shouldn't protect ourselves. It's just the acknowledgement that, by all accounts, we the "little people" are not deemed important enough for any threat other than "random". That's why the security is so much different. Nothing personal, not trying to be offensive, but it's fact. If someone randomly shot me, nobody would remember that guy's name 50 years from now except for my family. But we all know who Lee Harvey Oswald is right? John Wilkes Booth? Without looking it up, can anyone even remember the kids' names at Columbine? There were two. I can't remember both of their names. I bet a majority of people not effected directly by it can't either. Someone will probably look it up anyway, but it'll defeat the purpose of my question.

He and his family will utilize this security for the remainder of their lives. Long after anyone cares who they are anymore.

In high school which was a private school Citizens Christian Academy (2002) we were allowed to have firearms on campus in our vehicles. Knives on our persons with a 3" or shorter blade. I actually used a bolt action 410 in a school play as a prop.i never once seen someone get stabbed or shot. We were all mere yards away from our weapons if a rampage occurred.

We had no security guards cameras or anything....we didnt need them. We wanted to fight principal rish would throw us gloves and let us hash it out like men.

I'm starting to think being in the Bible Belt deters a lot of kids from committing heinous crimes. I mean I still leave my doors unlocked at home. Different culture breeds different criminals.

I'd say our biggest problem was teen pregnancy. There is nothing to to in this town but each other.


Idea....put security in schools similar to the penile system. Make it difficult to smuggle a paper clip in.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by GaBoy25

He and his family will utilize this security for the remainder of their lives. Long after anyone cares who they are anymore.

In high school which was a private school Citizens Christian Academy (2002) we were allowed to have firearms on campus in our vehicles. Knives on our persons with a 3" or shorter blade. I actually used a bolt action 410 in a school play as a prop.i never once seen someone get stabbed or shot. We were all mere yards away from our weapons if a rampage occurred.

We had no security guards cameras or anything....we didnt need them. We wanted to fight principal rish would throw us gloves and let us hash it out like men.

I'm starting to think being in the Bible Belt deters a lot of kids from committing heinous crimes. I mean I still leave my doors unlocked at home. Different culture breeds different criminals.

I'd say our biggest problem was teen pregnancy. There is nothing to to in this town but each other.


Idea....put security in schools similar to the penile system. Make it difficult to smuggle a paper clip in.

See, and where I went to HS (grad in 2000), we had no security cameras, guards, CCW teachers AND we were a gun free (weapon free) zone. Not once did anything other than the occasional fist fight break out. And it has never happened in that school's history. So it depends on where your school is too.

I think you have a point about the "bible belt" (never head it called that before ). But if I'm not wrong... discipline is actually used in those types of schools right? Where kids actually learn there are repercussions for their dumb behavior? I think many children are missing that in their lives.

[BullF-16]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

Now that is damn funny

Im Glad you have a sense of humor about it

[iCandi]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco
Personally I would like a firearms sub-forum, not just a single thread. This way we can have different threads on different handguns, rifles, calibers, reloading, what guns are better to conceal carry, etc without a post getting lost especially seeing as how fast a single thread moves. Also this way if we have threads about Obama's new Executive Orders or any new bills introduced in Congress that just so happen to get out of hand, the mods can just close those specific threads down instead of putting everything to a halt.

We already have a gaming sub-forum and a sports sub-forum so why not a firearms sub-forum.

I would like to see this too. Sorry, I don't post much, but I am trying to do what I can to become more familiar with firearms. I bought the hubby some PMC .50 BMG for xmas and when the guy behind the counter asked me what it would be used in, I honestly had no idea! It was at that point that I decided I needed to become more familiar with things. I then started checking out the firearms thread on here and even asking questions at home, especially with everything that is currently going on in the States with gun control!
I am also in the process of having an AR-15 lower transferred over to me and, even though the hubby is giving me numerous options for a build, it is still nice to be able to come to just one forum and read things (rather than join one of the gun forums and feel completely overwhelmed!). So having an actual sub-forum, with different threads, would be very nice to see.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by BullF-16

Im Glad you have a sense of humor about it

Sense of humor, I has one. Most people tell me I'm pretty laid back.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by kalimus

I wasn't disputing hypocrite or not. I was just pointing out that they are not the same comparison. Comparing your children to the President's is apples and oranges. Sorry. That's just the way it is. And why ask Adam Lanza? Because he was crazy? Because I know the reason he picked that school? Which do you think he would pick if all things were equal? Obviously a personal vendetta or anger is not random. So... kind of irrelevant.

A terrorist would go after the high profile target... a psychotic will go after the convenient target. It's doubtful Lanza had much of a plan laid out.


None? That's dependant completely on your child's school. There are many schools that have armed guards/cops/SRO's. Columbine for instance had them (didn't prevent it, but at least kept it from being worse?). And who should push that anyway? Lawmakers to the school, or parents to the school? I would think the latter. Just my opinion. And that issue was addressed by one of his EO's (number 18 I think?).

Read up on the Columbine shooting... there were two officers on site immediately after the shooting began, one was on-site security that happened to be outside when it started. Neither of them ever entered the building, so they did nothing to reduce the fatalities.

Look, all I'm saying is that the ad, no matter what my personal feelings were, is a bad comparison of anything. That's like thinking we all need private security in the same manner that high officials or other high profile "potential targets" need. That's simply not true. Same with the family. Not saying our families aren't as important, or that we shouldn't protect them, or that we shouldn't protect ourselves. It's just the acknowledgement that, by all accounts, we the "little people" are not deemed important enough for any threat other than "random". That's why the security is so much different. Nothing personal, not trying to be offensive, but it's fact. If someone randomly shot me, nobody would remember that guy's name 50 years from now except for my family. But we all know who Lee Harvey Oswald is right? John Wilkes Booth? Without looking it up, can anyone even remember the kids' names at Columbine? There were two. I can't remember both of their names. I bet a majority of people not effected directly by it can't either. Someone will probably look it up anyway, but it'll defeat the purpose of my question.

The life of Barack Obama is no more valuable than my grandsons..... I don't know your name, but your life is just as valuable as his also.

..... I don't know what you're trying to defend here..... I don't want the federal government protecting my family, I can do that myself.... just quit making bullshit laws that make that difficult.

Oklahoma is arming it's teachers... God bless them! I hope they never have to fire a shot. But the next Adam Lanza will likely NOT choose an Oklahoma school!

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

Sense of humor, I has one. Most people tell me I'm pretty laid back.

I hear you're so tight your farts sound like a steam train whistle!

[Camaro_Corvette]

I got to be laid back to put up with this shit.

[Dznts]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

I hear you're so tight your farts sound like a steam train whistle!

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

I got to be laid back to put up with this shit.

Change his sig to a pink unicorn for that remark

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

The life of Barack Obama is no more valuable than my grandsons..... I don't know your name, but your life is just as valuable as his also.

..... I don't know what you're trying to defend here..... I don't want the federal government protecting my family, I can do that myself.... just quit making bullshit laws that make that difficult.

Oklahoma is arming it's teachers... God bless them! I hope they never have to fire a shot. But the next Adam Lanza will likely NOT choose an Oklahoma school!

I'm not "defending" anything. I don't think BO's life is more valuable than anybody else's either. That's not what I said. What I said was "anybody that doesn't think the President's children AREN'T a bigger potential target than their own... well that's just stupid". Bigger potential target.

And what I said about Lanza, you kind of reinforced my point. Why would I ask him anything? He was a nutbag.

The NRA's commercial, in my opinion, is completely ineffective. That's what I was getting at. They are comparing the average American child with the First Family. I'm sorry... it's just not the same. That statement wasn't about who's life was more valuable, not at all. It's purely about social status. They are bigger profile targets, and given a reasonable choice between the average American child, and those children, it's not even a contest for someone that want's to have their moment of fame in the news. The argument is no more effective than comparing guns to cars.

The reason we are progressively losing this fight, after decades and decades of small restrictions, is that so many gun owners can't argue logically. Anti-gun crowd can't either. The difference is, that there are more pro-gun that sound like loony bins than there are on the other side. And this commercial is a prime example.

Edit about Columbine: The security guard (deputy) had a firefight with one of the kids (yes outside). There are multiple articles floating around attributing that short distraction to the escape of some of the kids, including at least one injured (who hid in a break room during the exchange of shots). How many fatalities did it prevent? I don't know. But if one shooter was engaged with one deputy, he wasn't running around the school shooting up kids during that time.

[CamaroSkooter]

Higher profile? Maybe.

More important or more "valuable"? Never.

No child is more important than another. The reason the Secret Service protects the President's children isn't for the children's sake, it's so that no one can harm or kidnap those children in an effort to blackmail or leverage them against the President.

That's all.

And the President does not get Secret Service protection for life. As I recall, Clinton is the last President to be given that priviledge.

That being said, I have no idea what point kalimus is trying to make

[kalimus]

On a side note, I found this

In this day and age we must ask ourselves, America, are we safe enough? Our nation is on the edge of collapse. Every day tens of thousands of us are injured or killed by others and by dangerous items in our homes. We must do more to ensure our own safety in these difficult times. We must rid ourselves of anything that may harm us or others. I propose a new course of action. A course that will help protect us, our children and the future generations. Today I propose the Rubber Spoon Act of 2013.

With this act:
The U.S. Constitution will be suspended temporarily.
The military will be activated and martial law will be declared.
RSA Compliance Centers will be established in all neighborhoods where illegal items can be voluntarily surrendered.
RSA Enforcement Inspectors, the US Military, your local police and the Boy Scouts will then begin conducting searches of each residence.
They will be under orders to inspect, search for and arrest or confiscate the following:

Anyone with warrants
Illegal aliens
Anyone with STDs
Unpaid parking tickets
Illegal drugs
All guns and ammo
Knives
Hammers
Baseball bats
Bathtubs
Hotdogs
Bows and arrows
Dogs larger than 10 lbs
Jury duty scofflaws
Unregistered/unsafe/gas guzzling vehicles
Motorcycles
Any electronics that are not UL approved
Inadequate smoke detectors
Expired food, milk, eggs etc.
Garden rakes
Missing mattress tags
Red meat
Pirated software, movies and music
Alcohol and tobacco
Fire hazards
Lawn darts
Large frying pans
Forks
and of course...metal spoons

Thank you,

And God Bless America!

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

And the President does not get Secret Service protection for life. As I recall, Clinton is the last President to be given that priviledge.

That being said, I have no idea what point kalimus is trying to make

After getting side-tracked, the point I was trying to make was that the NRA was a dumb add. Not an effective argument. Especially after the EO to promote SRO's at school.

And that was true about SS, but Obama just changed that again.