New Toyota TV Ad says there Cars are American

['11 cyber grey vert]

Originally Posted by 2010SS2SS

papawattz


I didn't say anything about not being PROUD of OUR country. Read the post! What I said was all these people talking about buying american ( as in cars per the post )think they are doing something for the country. They aren't majority of the money goes back into building plants and paying Canadian and Mexican workers...What money is going back into the American economy? Maybe a little to the selling dealer and his employees and then back to Ford, GM, Chrysler to pay and build more plants in other countries to avoid dealing with the UAW

From one of my other posts
Canada and the USA signed an auto pact way before NAFTA(north america free trade agreement) to be in partnership to produce vehicles together.We have here in Canada,the CAW(Canadian auto worker union) so your bogus argument about money not going back into the USA economy is false.Where do you think GM and Ford does most of the R&D work....in the USA.
Any profits earned from the Canadian plants ultimately end up at GM head office in USA
There is more to the cars than just assembly.
From just a manufacturing perspective Canada and USA are on the same level playing field.Your point with Mexico is valid , IMO, as their wages are much lower than ours.
And I would be more afraid of Mexican plants than Canadian plants.
We , as Canadians have lost mega amount of jobs to Mexico since they joined into NAFTA.
Globalization is changing the way big business does things unfortunately.
I blame the current economic problems That North America is facing on the federal goverments.They allow very cheap inexpensive products to enter North America to the point where it forces alot of manufacturers out of business and hence the job losses.We are not on level playing fields with the likes of Mexico,China, India etc.
Also, countries such as China has protectionist measures in place not to allow competing products to flourish in their country, making it very difficult for domestic manufacturers to get their products into that market place.
One more note on Cars
G-D help us if the likes of Geely Auto comes here with an open door policy....It will kill off what little manufacturing we have left.
If we as North Americans would put up the same trade barriers that China has so that the trade deficits were not as great,I believe that the economy in the USA and Canada would create more jobs.More jobs=more spending=greater tax revenues for Goverment=overall healthy economy

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by grocerygetter

problem solved...move the Camaro plant in oshawa to Alabama...right to work state...no Union required nor demands. Plenty of open land and a bunch of aero and vehicle build there. Look at what Navistar is doing.

Did you see what happened to Boeing?

Originally Posted by KamaroKid9614

Since they're so american where's their rwd v8?

Tundra, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, IS-F, GX, LS, GS.

Originally Posted by redevil11

It all boils down to NAFTA!! Chevy Avalanches are built in Sileo, Mexico and our Camaros in Canada!!

Not NAFTA, UAW. If it was NAFTA, the Japanese would be assembling in Mexico too, not in Kentucky, Alabama, Ohio, etc...

Originally Posted by 2010SS2SS

I just love the "I only buy American" b.s. because all your doing is keeping Canadians and Mexicans working...

Both of my cars were assembled in the US. (Both in Michigan, in fact). So were 3 of my parent's 4 cars, and my brother's car (two in Michigan, one in Georgia, and one in Illinois). That's 6 American cars, all six from US assembly plants. Only one that wasn't was may dad's Mazda (Hiroshima, Japan).

Originally Posted by 1BADLS3

People's "American made" foreign cars are extremely damaging because:

1) Trade agreements are NOT in our favor. The Japanese can build cars here, and dump cars here from overseas. However, trying to export our American cars TO Japan and other foreign nations is increasingly difficult.

2) Foreign countries are gaining control over our labor pools. They utilize our workers, our land and resources, etc. This is a complete reversal of what we just did for the last 10 years in India where we, as US companies, exploited their labor markets and controlled them. and then:

3) The profits get sent home. It's great that the car was built in America, that most of the parts came here. Some of the money stayed with American workers (non-union), but the rest of it, folks, went outside our borders.

I'm more comfortable with our cars coming from Canada and Mexico, 2nd to the US, because at least the profits stay in North America.

And BTW, all those jobs can come rushing back with sensible trade and labor policies. I'll stop there to avoid getting too political.

Originally Posted by vroomapunk

Not putting them down, but including benefits, a guy who tightens a few bolts going down an assembly line makes soooo much (including benefits) because of unions, that American companies cant afford to pay them and take a huge hit on overhead when making cars.

The Unions have basically priced their membership out of the labor market to the point that the union, ironically, is the workers worst enemy right now. The cold, hard fact is that assembly line work is low to medium skill labor. Toyota, fittingly, pays low to medium wages. As long as the UAW demands medium to high wages for low to medium skill work, a fully American workforce will not be economically possible for those companies. A company cannot pay people more than their skills set is worth and hope to remain competitive.

[BlueSteele]

They (toyota) shouldn't be allowed in NASCAR either!























j/k

[cam fan]

Peace guys - let's just appreciate instead of denigrate. We all love America. We love our Camaros. People with Toyotas....drive a toyota.

As American as Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet
As American as spicy tuna roll, green tea and Toyota (we make that here too, pretty tasty actually lol)


(we/camaro/chevy are the lion by the way)

[2SSRSinBama]

Originally Posted by grocerygetter

problem solved...move the Camaro plant in oshawa to Alabama...right to work state...no Union required nor demands. Plenty of open land and a bunch of aero and vehicle build there. Look at what Navistar is doing.

Oddly enough, most of the non-union automotive plants here....hire Union contractors to build their plants and to do additions in them


i've worked over a year at the V8 plant in Huntsville for Toyota and know several guys still working at Navistar in Huntsville out of our local... Navistar is about to take over the former rail car plant here in Barton and we are expecting to get the renovation that goes along with that move

its kind of funny how they are "anti-union" but when they want s*** done right, go out and hire Union contractors

[Captain Awesome]

Surely the amount of domestic content in their cars has NOTHING to do with their facilities mostly being located in "Right to Work" states?

(cough cough)

[2SSRSinBama]

yeah right to work states are a load of bull... I live in one, its why i'm in a Union in one... without a Union in a right to work state......you have NO rights as a worker... they are glad to come to parts of the country where the cost of living is low, hire kids straight out of high school for $12/hr to build their cars... and if they are terrible at it, lay them off and get another one... no sense in actually training them, that cost too much money, fire and hire until you find someone dumb enough to give their life to you for $12/hr

the non-union Right to Work way!

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by 2SSRSinBama

its kind of funny how they are "anti-union" but when they want s*** done right, go out and hire Union contractors

Maybe it's more a case of "Hey.... that's a mighty nice factory you guys are building there. It would be a shame if sumptin' happened to it."

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

Just saw a new Toyota ad and the main selling point was that Toyota was an American made product. Sort of like shucking off the fact that it is not a Japanese product but just as American as Chevy or ford. Just didnt seem right to me, like misleading the public, but I guess thats how Toyota has always been....very misleading.

Many are built here. That makes them American. Many parts for the Camaro are built in other countries, and not one Camaro is built in the US. They are all imports.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by 2SSRSinBama

yeah right to work states are a load of bull... I live in one, its why i'm in a Union in one... without a Union in a right to work state......you have NO rights as a worker... they are glad to come to parts of the country where the cost of living is low, hire kids straight out of high school for $12/hr to build their cars... and if they are terrible at it, lay them off and get another one... no sense in actually training them, that cost too much money, fire and hire until you find someone dumb enough to give their life to you for $12/hr

the non-union Right to Work way!

The workers have no rights? Yeah that's a good one. They have the same rights as everyone else, working or not.

I prefer what you described to the alternative which is to hire kids straight out of high school for $75 dollars an hour and if they don't do the job right or they go smoke pot or get drunk on lunch break or they molest coworkers or children on the job you can't get rid of them. The unions protect them using money they STEAL from people who would rather NOT belong to the union either by FORCING them to pay dues regardless or through political payback from corrupt politicians.

Right to work is the right answer.

P.S. Not ALL unions are bad. Just a LOT of them are.

[EvoWake]

Regardless of where parts are built etc... Where do the profits go? Not USA

[AVNMechanic]

All I know is my wife's Toyota Highlander is built in Indiana and its a quality product. As soon as I get back from Afghanistan, I'm buying a Camaro SS which is made in Canada and is also a quality product. I may try and find a job a the BMW assembly plant in my hometown of Greenville, South Carolina. They make the X3, X5, X6 "Sport Activity Vehicles." South Carolina is a "Right to Work State." Or I may try Boeing in Charleston, SC, they are just starting the 737 assembly plant up, I'm sure I could get a job there.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by upflying

Boeing wants to build a aircraft assembly plant in South Carolina. Unions and Congress said no.

Boeing did build it. It is already assembling planes. They just recently decided to settle the lawsuit by the NLRB. I wouldn't have given them a dime.

[2SSRSinBama]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

The workers have no rights? Yeah that's a good one. They have the same rights as everyone else, working or not.

I prefer what you described to the alternative which is to hire kids straight out of high school for $75 dollars an hour and if they don't do the job right or they go smoke pot or get drunk on lunch break or they molest coworkers or children on the job you can't get rid of them. The unions protect them using money they STEAL from people who would rather NOT belong to the union either by FORCING them to pay dues regardless or through political payback from corrupt politicians.

Right to work is the right answer.

P.S. Not ALL unions are bad. Just a LOT of them are.

no one is forced to join a damn Union... and you think someone can't be terminated on the job for drinking if they are Union

you watch Fox News a lot...........don't you, lol

I see people get fired everyday for popping out on drug tests, just like a non-union job

and no, they don't have any protection, I worked in a non-union Automotive plant for 2 years before deciding to join the Apprenticeship and becoming an electrician... I know what its like to have your insurance cut in half and your premiums doubled from December 31s to January 1st(overnight)... I know what its like to see someone work 64 days in a row(7 days a week, I did it) with no credit... but then decide to miss and have to abide by a "points system"... which is what kills me about the point system, when you work 60+ days in a row, you gain nothing... but when you miss a day, its the same punishment... there is no reward for them making you be there all the time(i'm talking 7 days a week) but if something comes up for you, even if its on a Sunday which technically isn't even your "scheduled" working day, its the same punishment for not showing up, whether its a Sunday or a Wednesday... once again, been there done that... and guess what, the Japanese all run their plants eerily the same... In Japan, they are used to a 60+ hour a week work schedule, working is their life over there.... here in America, we like to base our lives and time with family on 40... they don't understand that... rather than hire 2 people to do a job, they'd rather hire 1 and work him 7 days a week, 12 hours a day... hey, they are paying ONE benefit package...

go work in a right to work state at one of these plants, do it for 2 years, don't listen to Fox News, go do it yourself... and then get back to me... because i've lived the life 1st hand, not what Bill O'Reily told me


maybe they hire Union Contractors because for example when you hire a Union Electrical Contractor and you get 5 electricians on the job, you get 5 electricians who went through a 4 year(well, we do a 5 year here but we're ahead of the curve with a lot of PLC and Instrumentation courses) Apprenticeship, so you have 5 licensed electricians... when you hire a Rat, you may get 5 workers......but its probably going to be 1 licensed electrician and 4 "helpers"... aka, 4 Mexicans

the Immigration law passed here in Bama and they say construction is "taking a hit"... we aren't taking a hit, the Mexicans are leaving... damn, I hate that they are going to have to hire legal citizens now...........oh wait, that's a good thing