Electric Vehicles

[Realist]

Originally Posted by snizzle

I said for those that can't charge at home. Those folks exist and will continue to exist, especially as it gets harder to find/buy homes (especially detached with parking/garages).

Exactly why EV’s don’t make sense for many if you can’t charge at home. We are also moving towards a society of renters. Hell just a few miles from my place in MI, there are mobile homes (old), old homes, RV trailer park (old and poor) there is no option to charge at home let alone buy a 12yr old EV that needs a battery shortly after purchase of EV. My $53000 total including financing 2024 Canyon AT4 has 33000 miles. 5 trips to Florida, trips hauling items to property in MI over the past 2 years. We sold our home nearly 2 years ago. In a rental townhome with Electric panel in basement far side and probably a few grand to power an EV in garage.
The property in SW MI is a project home so just to run Electric for EV will get in the way and the garage dropped a phase so can’t 220v anything til I run new wires. I can only imagine the charging costs of 33000 miles at pay to charge chargers and lost productivity looking for chargers that work (unless a Tesla) and of course waiting for the charge. Only thing close to my AT4 is a Rivian Pickup and those are $20k more plus. That said I look at EV’s. Hummer pickup or Silverado are good looking to me. Used Model S Plaid I could charge at home would be sweet. Never say never, but ya have to be able to charge at home for it to truly make sense. And the biggest reason why I wasn’t EV is because of the governments hands and the $7500. Now that the incentives for the people that didn’t even need them are gone, they can now backup their words with EV support with more $’s from their wallet/purse.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Realist

Exactly why EV’s don’t make sense for many if you can’t charge at home. We are also moving towards a society of renters. Hell just a few miles from my place in MI, there are mobile homes (old), old homes, RV trailer park (old and poor) there is no option to charge at home let alone buy a 12yr old EV that needs a battery shortly after purchase of EV. My $53000 total including financing 2024 Canyon AT4 has 33000 miles. 5 trips to Florida, trips hauling items to property in MI over the past 2 years. We sold our home nearly 2 years ago. In a rental townhome with Electric panel in basement far side and probably a few grand to power an EV in garage.
The property in SW MI is a project home so just to run Electric for EV will get in the way and the garage dropped a phase so can’t 220v anything til I run new wires. I can only imagine the charging costs of 33000 miles at pay to charge chargers and lost productivity looking for chargers that work (unless a Tesla) and of course waiting for the charge. Only thing close to my AT4 is a Rivian Pickup and those are $20k more plus. That said I look at EV’s. Hummer pickup or Silverado are good looking to me. Used Model S Plaid I could charge at home would be sweet. Never say never, but ya have to be able to charge at home for it to truly make sense. And the biggest reason why I wasn’t EV is because of the governments hands and the $7500. Now that the incentives for the people that didn’t even need them are gone, they can now backup their words with EV support with more $’s from their wallet/purse.

As much as I p!$$ a lot of Camaro6 guys off by explaining how and why EVs are not going away I p!$$ off my EV friends by saying exactly this. My overall point is expect AND not INSTEAD OF. As time moves on EVs will take more market share from ICE but probably won't totally replace ICE in our lifetimes. Been saying that for years.

Thing is though, in roughly 15 - 20 years of development, EVs have in large part surpassed the capability of ICE and continue to A) improve and B) reduce in cost. In 10 years or so moderately priced EVs will be capable of outperforming anything ICE can throw at it. Will they be as much fun to drive? Depends on who's driving it and what they consider fun. Go test drive a Porsche Taycan Turbo S and ask yourself if this is a true performance vehicle.

At the same time, a lot of new apartment developments are being constructed with 240V load capability and companies in the field of public charging development are developing products that can load share and do account attribution. What does that mean? Apartment complexes with garages or banks of parking spots that have keycard control so that tenants that live there can tap a card and have the cost of charging billed directly to their rent. I've already seen the start of this in Canada. Probably more applications underway in Europe, but I'm not close enough to that anymore to know for sure.

[snizzle]

Yup, much of what you detail there is at best future state however. To your point, I agree it'll get better and BEV market share will continue to increase as the ecosystem around it improves. We have to remember that most folks just want a basic reliable vehicle that doesn't inconvenience them. Being fun to drive (why many of us own Camaros), really isn't a consideration.