2023 NFL season discussion

[PoorMansCamaro]

Interesting graph

[PoorMansCamaro]

While Herbert started his career off very strong, he has regressed every year since his rookie year. While Tua has progressively gotten better every year. And Tuas benching during Brian Flores was him actively sabotaging Tua. It’s well known that Flores didn’t like Tua.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by 102SS

Aaron won the SB in 2010 with a 10-6 record and won 4 mvps after this year

2011 was 15-1 and his first MVP no SB .....48 tds

2014 12 wins(4 teams had 12) was his second MVP no SB......40 tds

2020 13 wins (KC had 14) 3rd MVP 51 tds no SB(Josh had 13 wins and 45 tds)

2021 13 wins (KC 12 Bills 11) 4th MVP 40 Td's no SB (Josh had 41)

So it looks like wins or TD's can make the difference

SB has no barring on MVP. As it’s a regular season award

[NjaTrtl]

Originally Posted by 102SS

One more thing JA17 became the first player in NFL history with at least one pass td and a rushing td in 10 games in the same season.

Thats this year folks and he has 2 games to play **

Kyler Murray held the record at 9 games in the same season

**Chargers game was #11

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

While Herbert started his career off very strong, he has regressed every year since his rookie year. While Tua has progressively gotten better every year. And Tuas benching during Brian Flores was him actively sabotaging Tua. It’s well known that Flores didn’t like Tua.

I can’t blame Justin Herbert’s regression on him due to the fact he had one of the worst/dumbest head coaches of all time.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by 102SS

98 is the sum of all fumbles and ints.

The thing is he didn't lose 33 fumbles he lost 14 so its not 65 and 33 equals 98 its 65 and 14 equals 79

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stat...298/josh-allen

I somehow missed this. I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers from. From nfl.com, Josh Allen has 75 ints from 2018 until now, week 16. He has 23 fumbles lost from 2018 to now, week 16. What is 75 + 23?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I can’t blame Justin Herbert’s regression on him due to the fact he had one of the worst/dumbest head coaches of all time.

No one gives the same slack to Tuas first 2 years with literally the worse head coach and garbage truck drivers for weapons, minus Waddle. So Herbert doesn’t either.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

No one gives the same slack to Tuas first 2 years with literally the worse head coach and garbage truck drivers for weapons, minus Waddle. So Herbert doesn’t either.

Brian Flores was significantly better than Brandon Staley. If it wasn’t for him suing the NFL owners, he probably would have gotten another head coaching job. Right now he’s coordinating one of the better defenses in the nfl. The players liked him too. Devonta Parker was a decent receiver, no Tyreek but not exactly garbage either.

Also two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because your guy was wronged doesn’t necessarily mean others should. Brandon Staley should have gotten fired years ago. The dolphins under Flores were actually progressing in the right direction but something weird happened between him and the owner.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Devante Parker was only good because Tua made him good. And that was for 4 games a year. Guy was always hurt.

Flores is a good/great DC. That’s it. He has no clue what he’s doing on offense. Guy had to have 2 OC’s and that still didn’t work. What he did to Tua is vastly worse than Staley to Herbert

[102SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

I somehow missed this. I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers from. From nfl.com, Josh Allen has 75 ints from 2018 until now, week 16. He has 23 fumbles lost from 2018 to now, week 16. What is 75 + 23?

Right here

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stat...298/josh-allen


The NFL shows 32 fumbles under rushing then under a separate category for fumbles they show 56 with 23 lost and 15 as own recovered.

The numbers do not add up.

Whats a few more turnovers?


Won lost with JA17... 62 wins and 29 losses (34* losses since he has been on the team)

*In actual games started its 29 losses (The Ravens loss in 2018 was all on then starter Nate Peterman and JA17 missed 4 games due to injury)

HOF QB Jim Kelly's first 6 years he won 53 and lost 33

TD's 138 and 79 ints

Jimbo was my favorite Bills player back in the day but he was a turnover machine as well but he knew how to win(except the SB but thats another story)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly

As you can see JA17 is well on his way to a Gold Jacket someday in the far off future.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Fumbles under rushing probably don’t include fumbles in the pocket? I dunno.

And you can’t really compare Jim Kelly’s, or anyone in that era, because DB’s used to be able man handle receivers.

Josh Allen is a great qB. No doubt. Best in the league? Nah. Lol

[PoorMansCamaro]

You can argue best dual threat, maybe. Put just as a passer, Tua clears

[102SS]

Well lets see what CBS Sports has to say in their weekly QB Power Rankings

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...out-of-top-10/

Josh Allen #1

In a year where no single QB has stood head and shoulders above the rest, Allen leads them all in total TDs (40). He's all gas, no break, for better and worse, but he is most certainly the catalyst of the Bills' hot push toward the playoffs. (+1)

[102SS]

Coach Pagano talks about Billy B's respect for JA17 on the Pat MCafee show

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401547626