Penske Terminates Saturn Discussion, GM Prepares to Kill Brand

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

As big a Pontiac fan as I am, Pontiac had no future. It was extremely limited in brand direction and focus. The only two Pontiacs worth a damn towards the end was the G8 and Solstice, and that was a case of too little, too late.

solstice was a piece of crap. i had one. it was horrible.

and the G8 is barely worth anything in my opinion. way over-priced and ugly to boot

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

solstice was a piece of crap. i had one. it was horrible.

and the G8 is barely worth anything in my opinion. way over-priced and ugly to boot

Well, you're just on a roll, today, aren't ya?

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

solstice was a piece of crap. i had one. it was horrible.

and the G8 is barely worth anything in my opinion. way over-priced and ugly to boot

I agree it was a bit over priced but as far as look's they are subjective, and I garauntee I had more compliment's in my G8 then I will ever get in my Mustang at least until it get's the facelift. And dont get me started on how that 4 door Pontiac would run circle's around a stock Mustang.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Son of a B****!

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Mmm...no, sadly. :( Saturn is a lost cause. And the stupid mistake would actually be spending the capital, resources, and time to try and save it.

Saturn, over the past 5 years, was given the best in vehicles, the best in sales experience, and even the best in marketing (remember "that's a Saturn?"). It was(is) a unique brand with a TON of potential. The trouble is, it has cost GM lots of money to keep it alive. It made them $0.00 and it wasn't for lack of trying on their part. I refer to it as the Saturn Phenomenon: People just don't buy them.

It's sad to hear this news. I loved the Sky, and the Vue -- and the Aura was a killer prelude to the Malibu. :( I had hoped Penske could do something different with the brand.

I think it's ulitmately better for GM in the short and long-term to discontinue it, though. Saves money, and allows a redirection of attention to the 4 core brands.

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I agree it was a bit over priced but as far as look's they are subjective, and I garauntee I had more compliment's in my G8 then I will ever get in my Mustang at least until it get's the facelift. And dont get me started on how that 4 door Pontiac would run circle's around a stock Mustang.

well sure it would run circles around a mustang. but its not a fair argument because the G8 is priced a lot more. priced too high..........but still more expensive than a mustang.

so with that logic.......you should get more performance for 38k rather than 30k

[comiskeybum]

oh and whats up with chrysler making the Ram its own brand? how stupid is that? why bother?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

oh and whats up with chrysler making the Ram its own brand? how stupid is that? why bother?

I missed that!! Do you have a link?
(And, technically...wouldn't this have been a Fiat decision?)

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

well sure it would run circles around a mustang. but its not a fair argument because the G8 is priced a lot more. priced too high..........but still more expensive than a mustang.

so with that logic.......you should get more performance for 38k rather than 30k

You must be thinking of the GXP because the GT is no 38k try more like 28k.

[Andro]

:(

[ss.yes!]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Mmm...no, sadly. :( Saturn is a lost cause. And the stupid mistake would actually be spending the capital, resources, and time to try and save it.

Saturn, over the past 5 years, was given the best in vehicles, the best in sales experience, and even the best in marketing (remember "that's a Saturn?"). It was(is) a unique brand with a TON of potential. The trouble is, it has cost GM lots of money to keep it alive. It made them $0.00 and it wasn't for lack of trying on their part. I refer to it as the Saturn Phenomenon: People just don't buy them.

It's sad to hear this news. I loved the Sky, and the Vue -- and the Aura was a killer prelude to the Malibu. :( I had hoped Penske could do something different with the brand.

I think it's ulitmately better for GM in the short and long-term to discontinue it, though. Saves money, and allows a redirection of attention to the 4 core brands.

I have to agree. Setting aside emotions and looking at the situation objectively, there is just no justification for keeping a division which has burned through $18+ billion since inception and never turned a profit.

[OuSoonersGirl]

:(:(

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

well sure it would run circles around a mustang. but its not a fair argument because the G8 is priced a lot more. priced too high..........but still more expensive than a mustang.

so with that logic.......you should get more performance for 38k rather than 30k

You get 361 HP for $30k and 415 HP for $38k. Plus BMW M5-like handling and drive characteristics.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

You get 361 HP for $30k and 415 HP for $38k. Plus BMW M5-like handling and drive characteristics.

...ouch. Jugular.

[ZNOLMT]

Too bad for the Sky. It was a nice car.