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[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

Measuring the balls is quick, you stick the gauge in and get the reading. Re-inflating them to a specific PSI takes much more time. They measured the balls first before re-inflating any of them.

By the time they got to the Colts balls, the PSI was higher simply because they had the time to warm, and weren't exposed to the same conditions as the PATS balls when measured.

I thought measuring was quick.

Also only four of the Colts balls were measured. The variance would have been different had they measured all 12 at the same time the PATS balls were measured. They had two different gauges, so they could have done both at the same time.

Of course the Colts balls were higher, they started out a half pound higher to begin with as they inflated them to 13 PSI vs 12.5 that the PATS did.

No one is arguing the colts balls had more pressure, I am arguing the variance from their perspective starting point.

Physics states that at the temps the balls were exposed to, the AVG PSI should have been 11.32,, the AVG was 11.30.

What doesn't make sense, they got 11.30 when they measured one ball outside, was the average the same, even though they went inside?

The Colts balls had time to warm, so again based upon the laws of physics, they should have been closer to the original inflation.

Couldn't have been that much more time, as measuring is done quickly. or is it done quickly only when it's the pats balls?

Again, the last few balls had just as much time to warm up as the first few balls of the colts. The colts balls were within half a lb of their starting 13lbs. the last few balls of the pats were more than 1lb of pressure of their starting 12.5.


Aside from physics, the score at halftime was 17-7 in favor of the PATS.

After the balls were re-inflated the PATS scored 28 more points to the Colts 0.
Brady's stats in the second half were perfect.

The PATS were by far the better team in this game. The Colts simply couldn't compete on either side of the ball.

The Colts player who intercepted a PATS ball in the first half admitted to this after this accusation was first brought about.

and again, it doesn't matter what the outcome of the game is. you can cheat and lose, you can cheat and win. the point is, you shouldn't cheat at all.

[Dmpsix]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

and again, it doesn't matter what the outcome of the game is. you can cheat and lose, you can cheat and win. the point is, you shouldn't cheat at all.

You're right, no one indeed should cheat at all. Patriots included, good thing they didn't! The score does matter, because it shows that even though this game wasn't even remotely close at any aspect or point in time during the game, the Patriots did not need to cheat, and which they sure as hell didn't.

Do people seem to forget all the hype and hooplah that surrounded Pittsburgh when the New York Giants reported their footballs were also underinflated during the freezing temps? No? Sure ya didn't, because the Giant's already knew that while they did not file a formal complaint, they did indeed report some underinflated footballs. However since it's not New England, no one bats an eye...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-g...183157757.html

In that video above where the MIT Professor completely debunks the entire bs conspiracy Roger Goodell laid before all you New England Patriot haters, he mentions specifically.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow Roger Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."

Please don't sit here and armchair QB your own analytics about what pressure ratings should've read at (Y) given moment with a room temperature of (X). It's been done by professionals before, and they all come to the same conclusion.

It's been laid before you with plenty of evidence that deflategate was still a joke, this is almost as sad as the other guy in the other NFL thread that said Tom Brady and the Patriot's didn't win the Superbowl, Atlanta lost it instead. Jeeeeeez people give it a rest already!!

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Dmpsix

You're right, no one indeed should cheat at all. Patriots included, good thing they didn't! The score does matter, because it shows that even though this game wasn't even remotely close at any aspect or point in time during the game, the Patriots did not need to cheat, and which they sure as hell didn't.

Do people seem to forget all the hype and hooplah that surrounded Pittsburgh when the New York Giants reported their footballs were also underinflated during the freezing temps? No? Sure ya didn't, because the Giant's already knew that while they did not file a formal complaint, they did indeed report some underinflated footballs. However since it's not New England, no one bats an eye...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-g...183157757.html

In that video above where the MIT Professor completely debunks the entire bs conspiracy Roger Goodell laid before all you New England Patriot haters, he mentions specifically.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow Roger Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."

Please don't sit here and armchair QB your own analytics about what pressure ratings should've read at (Y) given moment with a room temperature of (X). It's been done by professionals before, and they all come to the same conclusion.

It's been laid before you with plenty of evidence that deflategate was still a joke, this is almost as sad as the other guy in the other NFL thread that said Tom Brady and the Patriot's didn't win the Superbowl, Atlanta lost it instead. Jeeeeeez people give it a rest already!!

Good thing they didn't cheat? well the nfl and federal appeals court says otherwise, and they got punished for it. So it's not just jealous, crazy, delusional fans. They actually did cheat. On multiple occasions.

[Kenny Camaro]

[QUOTE=PoorMansCamaro;957424 They actually did cheat. On multiple occasions.[/QUOTE]

....and won multiple SuperBowls. Were they ever found to be cheating during the seven superbowls they were in over the last 15 years?

[PoorMansCamaro]

That made absolutely no sense. Wow.

Ok, so they weren't actually caught cheating in the SB. Let's just forget that you have to get there by winning during the regular season and playoffs. Which they did, by cheating on multiple occasions. Hence the punishments from the NFL, and not by fans.

And lets not pretend the NFL is out to "get" the Patriots. It's amazing how delusional pats fans are. They have had so many favorable calls go their way, that no other team would have gotten. Like the infamous Tuck rule that has never been called before Brady fumbles. Lord knows that "tuck rule" has happened on plenty of occasions by other teams, and that got them to the super bowl. And so many other qb's got hit below the knee, but wait, it happened to Tom Brady? Lets make a new rule! lol, freaking sissy.

But oh well, lets sweep everything under the rug because they weren't caught cheating in the 7 SB's they were in. Good logic.

Honestly, I've been in way too many of these debates, so I'm bowing out. I'll see you guys in the 2017 threads. lol

[3 SS's]

Like I said, it's like listening to liberals cry about everything that didn't go their way...when hit with facts they call out racisim, only difference here, when hit with facts they cry cheaters.
The courts didn't rule there was cheating, they ruled that Goodell had the power to punish as he see's fit.
The Pats weren't caught for spying over "many years " the memo went out one season and that's the season they were in violation, no others!!
These guys read the headlines that suit their needs and proclaim it as fact, meanwhile the Pats keep on winning!!!!

Can't wait for this years !!!!!!

[Dmpsix]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Good thing they didn't cheat? well the nfl and federal appeals court says otherwise, and they got punished for it. So it's not just jealous, crazy, delusional fans. They actually did cheat. On multiple occasions.

So because the NFL handed out the punishment they were right? Just like you completely tip-toed around every fact I laid before you but all you could do was raise your flag and whimper "But..cheating!" or "But the NFL says so, so it must be right!"

Yeah and the NFL also said the Giants reported underinflated balls during frigid temps at the Steelers game, but no one cared... dude, you're wrong, get over it.

No, it must be tough being a Dolphins fan during the Pats dynasty era, I get it. It must be tough to have your GM set your team back 5 years by signing Suh to the highest paid contract ever, I get it.

Stick to Spygate, at least you have a legitimate gripe over that. But this deflategate nonsense is done with, no one but you thinks it's real.

[Kenny Camaro]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

That made absolutely no sense. Wow.

Ok, so they weren't actually caught cheating in the SB. Let's just forget that you have to get there by winning during the regular season and playoffs. Which they did, by cheating on multiple occasions. Hence the punishments from the NFL, and not by fans.

And lets not pretend the NFL is out to "get" the Patriots. It's amazing how delusional pats fans are. They have had so many favorable calls go their way, that no other team would have gotten. Like the infamous Tuck rule that has never been called before Brady fumbles. Lord knows that "tuck rule" has happened on plenty of occasions by other teams, and that got them to the super bowl. And so many other qb's got hit below the knee, but wait, it happened to Tom Brady? Lets make a new rule! lol, freaking sissy.

But oh well, lets sweep everything under the rug because they weren't caught cheating in the 7 SB's they were in. Good logic.

Honestly, I've been in way too many of these debates, so I'm bowing out. I'll see you guys in the 2017 threads. lol

The point is Seven different times teams had the chance to beat them in the super bowl, to my knowledge they have not been caught or accused of cheating in any of them. Five times they prevailed. If cheating is your case as to why they are so good for so long. It seems they would have a much worse record than 5-2. Does it make more sense now?

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Good thing they didn't cheat? well the nfl and federal appeals court says otherwise, and they got punished for it.

WRONG
The appeals court decided on whether the CBA allowed Goodell to penalize players as he wishes. That's it.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

They have had so many favorable calls go their way, that no other team would have gotten. Like the infamous Tuck rule that has never been called before Brady fumbles.

LIE

The tuck rule existed before Brady even played in the NFL. The rule was even used AGAINST the Patriots, in favor of Vinny Testeverde and the Jets, earlier in the same season as the Raiders game you are whining about.

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by Kenny Camaro

The point is Seven different times teams had the chance to beat them in the super bowl, to my knowledge they have not been caught or accused of cheating in any of them. Five times they prevailed. If cheating is your case as to why they are so good for so long. It seems they would have a much worse record than 5-2. Does it make more sense now?

I'm still trying to make sense of this.

How can you be a head coach in the NFL, when you think a FG is 50 yards from the 23?

And you have the best kicker in the NFL for the year? 9 for 9 from 40-49 yards.

[Kenny Camaro]

[QUOTE=Joe M 2012 2SS;9579975]I'm still trying to make sense of this.

How can you be a head coach in the NFL, when you think a FG is 50 yards from the 23?

And you have the best kicker in the NFL for the year? 9 for 9 from 40-49 yards.

[/QUOTE

IMO, he's just putting the best spin on their collective failure. The run didn't get the results he wanted, advancing the ball. Then questionable play calling and poor execution on the next three plays put them in a bad position for the field goal. Don't expect him to do the mea culpa and fall on the sword. He probibly blames the players as much as you and many others blame him. They collectively failed when they had a high probability success. What else could he say in his position?

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

[QUOTE=Kenny Camaro;9580075]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

I'm still trying to make sense of this.

How can you be a head coach in the NFL, when you think a FG is 50 yards from the 23?

And you have the best kicker in the NFL for the year? 9 for 9 from 40-49 yards.

[/QUOTE

IMO, he's just putting the best spin on their collective failure. The run didn't get the results he wanted, advancing the ball. Then questionable play calling and poor execution on the next three plays put them in a bad position for the field goal. Don't expect him to do the mea culpa and fall on the sword. He probibly blames the players as much as you and many others blame him. They collectively failed when they had a high probability success. What else could he say in his position?

He could have said what Forrest Gump said.

[rebelyell22]

Originally Posted by Dmpsix

However since it's not New England, no one bats an eye...

They're the Alabama of the NFL. You beat Alabama, and look what happens to my Rebels. Clemson better look out.