How many Camaro5 guys and gals ride a Harley?

[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

Camaros go fast.
People who buy Camaros like to go fast.
Harley < fast.

There you go.


I actually do like the Road Glide, but my bikes have all been one of three types: sport bikes, sport tourers, or dual sports; therefore no Harley's for me.

Who one the Pro Stock us nationals at Indy?

[acammer]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Who one the Pro Stock us nationals at Indy?

That's like saying because a "Toyota Camry" won the race Sunday night at Darlington that Camry's are now in a general sense a fast car.

Not all Harley's are "slow" - but the majority, by motorcycle standards, are. But, that's not really the point of the Harley anyways - if you wanted technology and speed you wouldn't be riding an air-cooled motor with the a crankshaft designed not to keep the engine balanced or make power, but simply to make the trademark sound that sells so well. They are are targeted to the cruising and wanna look cool crowd. They cruise great. And they sure look great too. If those are the top boxes on your checklist, then you buy a Harley. If you have other boxes at the top of your checklist, probably not.

[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by acammer

That's like saying because a "Toyota Camry" won the race Sunday night at Darlington that Camry's are now in a general sense a fast car.

Not all Harley's are "slow" - but the majority, by motorcycle standards, are. But, that's not really the point of the Harley anyways - if you wanted technology and speed you wouldn't be riding an air-cooled motor with the a crankshaft designed not to keep the engine balanced or make power, but simply to make the trademark sound that sells so well. They are are targeted to the cruising and wanna look cool crowd. They cruise great. And they sure look great too. If those are the top boxes on your checklist, then you buy a Harley. If you have other boxes at the top of your checklist, probably not.

Make a list of motorcycles that are faster than the harleys and then make a list of cars that are faster than the camaro.
Camaro is a cool car but if you want to go fast there are much faster cars out there.
Harley isn't at the top of the list but the camaro isnt either.

[Z06-SS]

Our Harley floats

[acammer]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

Make a list of motorcycles that are faster than the harleys and then make a list of cars that are faster than the camaro.
Camaro is a cool car but if you want to go fast there are much faster cars out there.
Harley isn't at the top of the list but the camaro isnt either.

If you make a relative comparison of Harley's to other bikes found on the road and do the same with Camaro's to cars, the Harley is a slow bike and the Camaro is a fast car...

[fz4k98]

You don't buy a Harley to claim king of the sped hill. Been riding 40 years and last purchase was a bagger that I still ride.

Riding is not dangerous, people running into riders is.

[Quicksilver-SS]

It's not how fast you arrive..It's HOW you arrive. Movies and songs will never be written about plastic covered bikes.

[SteelCamaro]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

I know way more people that have been seriously hurt in cars.

Considering for every 100 cars you see on the road, you see maybe a few bikes at most? What about the accident to fatality ratios? I bet it's a lot less in cars. (Straight from the NHTSA: According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles. Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles.) I'll take my chances in a car, rather than extremely exposed with your fate in the hands of everyone else. I just had a relative who rear-ended someone going about 30-40 on the highway while he was on his Honda streetbike. The way he flew off his bike, he would've been killed had it not been for his kevlar suit. Granted it was his fault, but that's not the point. If I rear-end someone in my car doing 30-40, I'll walk away with probably only a sore neck/legs and some scratches, and that's it.

Sorry if I'm rustling jimmies, but I don't care for bikes. Never have, never will. I can also do without their "I don't need to abide by the laws, so I'll just ride on the shoulder in this construction zone while everyone else waits in 5 miles of traffic" attitudes also.

[Quicksilver-SS]

Originally Posted by SteelCamaro

Considering for every 100 cars you see on the road, you see maybe a few bikes at most? What about the accident to fatality ratios? I bet it's a lot less in cars. I'll take my chances in a car, rather than extremely exposed with your fate placed in everyone else's hands...

You see.. there's the problem...It's not the bikers fault most of the the time. It's the G.D. cagers on the phone talking and texting that is the problem.
Killing my brothers and sisters because their few minutes of conversation is more important than our life.

[Dizzy82]

Originally Posted by SteelCamaro

Considering for every 100 cars you see on the road, you see maybe a few bikes at most? What about the accident to fatality ratios? I bet it's a lot less in cars. (Straight from the NHTSA: According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles. Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles.) I'll take my chances in a car, rather than extremely exposed with your fate in the hand of everyone else. I just had a relative who rear-ended someone going about 30-40 on the highway while he was on his Honda streetbike. They way he flew off his bike, he would've been killed had it not been for his kevlar suit. Granted it was his fault, but that's not the point. If I rear-end someone in my car doing 30-40, I'll walk away with probably only a sore neck, and that's it.

Sorry if I'm rustling jimmies, but I don't care for bikes. Never have, never will. I can also do without their "I don't need to abide by the laws, so I'll just ride on the shoulder in this construction zone" attitudes also.

[SteelCamaro]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver-SS

You see.. there's the problem...It's not the bikers fault most of the the time. It's the G.D. cagers on the phone talking and texting that is the problem.
Killing my brothers and sisters because their few minutes of conversation is more important than our life.

Very true, but regardless it's still out of the biker's control.

[SteelCamaro]

Originally Posted by Dizzy82

Care to elaborate and actually add to the discussion? I knew what I was getting myself into by posting that, so let's hear it.

[SteelCamaro]

Originally Posted by Z06-SS

Our Harley floats

Nice Sea-Doo! Now that's something I can get behind. Jetskis are fun as hell!!

[acammer]

Originally Posted by SteelCamaro

Considering for every 100 cars you see on the road, you see maybe a few bikes at most? What about the accident to fatality ratios? I bet it's a lot less in cars. (Straight from the NHTSA: According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles. Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles.)

Seems spot on - I think it's common knowledge that when you throw your leg over a bike your risk of fatal injury goes way up. That's why when my son came into the world I sold the last of several motorcycles I've owned over the years - gotta be around to take car of him and the Mrs.

Not that I don't miss it - gosh every spring I fight the urge to get another bike. But when you've got kids, it's a selfish hobby - with the Camaro I can bring the little guy out for some fun - he's four now and he constantly is telling me to go "fast". History repeats itself I guess - my parents told me this would happen!

As far as the whole Harley's being slow thing - I'm not knocking anybody. Heck, I've owned a Sportster 1200 - it's not like I'm speaking about something I don't have first hand knowledge on. Yea - they are slow. There's nothing wrong with that - I don't think too many people looking for a fast bike go out and buy a Harley. The Harley buyer is looking for a different experience, they love the journey, they love the noise, etc. Heck, I like those things too, but I put performance near the top of my list, and so that eliminates the traditional Harley for me.

I'm a cruise-missile (crotch rocket/cruiser love child) kind of guy. M-109R, V-Rod, Rocket III, V-Max - those are all on the short list for me when a bike becomes something I'm willing to risk again some day. My last ride was a 2001 V-Max - what a machine. You want to talk about an epic sound, not much tops the rumble and burble of a V4 that transforms into a NASCAR-eque wail on the top end. It wouldn't kill a 1000cc Rocket up through 150, but there wasn't much it had to fear from a stop up to 100 or so.