Mustang Wins

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

If thats the case, why put "mustang wins with less power" on the cover?

It doesnt make any sense. Wins better interior with less power? Well a Caddy could do that.

I never said the camaro will out handle a "track pack" mustang stock. But it will still beat it in any sort of race.

That being said nobody answered my questions yet?

So Ford put the better trans in there GT over the GT500?

can you read what i posted above please. no they didn't.

[rodimus prime]

Im not buying the 430lb ft of torque either. Otherwise every blown Camaro would of trashed the trans by now. Unless you think they dont make an extra 10lbft of torque.

Oh 150 shot....trashed trans.

Cai...trashed trans.

headers trashed trans.

pine tree air freshener....trashed trans.


LOL at all the people who own mustang gts that think they are better performance cars than camaros.

Thats like me saying the Camaro SS is a better performance car than a gt500. LOL.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Im not buying the 430lb ft of torque either. Otherwise every blown Camaro would of trashed the trans by now. Unless you think they dont make an extra 10lbft of torque.

Oh 150 shot....trashed trans.

Cai...trashed trans.

headers trashed trans.

pine tree air freshener....trashed trans.


LOL at all the people who own mustang gts that think they are better performance cars than camaros.

Thats like me saying the Camaro SS is a better performance car than a gt500. LOL.

that document is from the GM website, hense the snapped output shafts and shaved gears on some people hammering the car... why do i feel like you think i am making this all up? you are extremely difficult to talk to and you seem generally mad at a car, not once has anyone in this thread said anything about beating a camaro with a mustang yet you add that to your post, for what reason?

[stangvert]

who CARES what the article or what other people say

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

that document is from the GM website, hense the snapped output shafts and shaved gears on some people hammering the car... why do i feel like you think i am making this all up? you are extremely difficult to talk to and you seem generally mad at a car.

Its a known fact that the output shafts were never treated properly. It has nothing to do with its ratings. They were defective from the supplier.


You still never answered my questions.

How is the Mustang a better muscle car if it loses almost every catagory concering performance to the Camaro?

If they werent judging performance why put "Mustang wins with less power" and have hp levels on the cover with 3 MUSCLE cars?

How is a 5speed manual better than a 6 speed manual that can handle more power?

Im not mad, you just dont make sense.

Let me know when a track pack Mustang laps the ring in 8:20. I mean it wins with less power. It pulls more g's. Its got better trunk space.

I honestly dont even care that the mustang won the article. Its how they portray it on the cover as if its a better performance car with 100 less hp, when its b.s. They can say it has better interior and trunk space ect.ect.ect. Who cares? It still gets its ass whooped on the streets and any track. It bothers me that they didnt mention that. Its because of $$$$. You can spin any car to be better than any other car if you compare them correctly. Thats what they did.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Its a known fact that the output shafts were never treated properly. It has nothing to do with its ratings. They were defective from the supplier.


You still never answered my questions.

How is the Mustang a better muscle car if it loses almost every catagory concering performance to the Camaro?

If they werent judging performance why put "Mustang wins with less power" and have hp levels on the cover with 3 MUSCLE cars?

How is a 5speed manual better than a 6 speed manual that can handle more power?

Im not mad, you just dont make sense.

Let me know when a track pack Mustang laps the ring in 8:20. I mean it wins with less power. It pulls more g's. Its got better trunk space.

I honestly dont even care that the mustang won the article. Its how they portray it on the cover as if its a better performance car with 100 less hp, when its b.s. They can say it has better interior and trunk space ect.ect.ect. Who cares? It still gets its ass whooped on the streets and any track. It bothers me that they didnt mention that. Its because of $$$$. You can spin any car to be better than any other car if you compare them correctly. Thats what they did.

You are obviously mad and this is a touchy subject for you and you are ranting about conspiracy theories, so i am going to go ahead and let your ignorance off the hook.

good day sir. believe what you will.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Its a known fact that the output shafts were never treated properly. It has nothing to do with its ratings. They were defective from the supplier.

Its how they portray it on the cover as if its a better performance car with 100 less hp, when its b.s.

BINGO!!!! The output shaft was a defect in a certain run. Anybody who is
informed knew that. As for the cover,
if you look at it your gonna expect to read the article and see how the Mustang beat the Camaro in PERFORMANCE. This was obviously not the case.
Hence the deception.

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

You are obviously mad and this is a touchy subject for you and you are ranting about conspiracy theories, so i am going to go ahead and let your ignorance off the hook.

good day sir. believe what you will.

Thanks for not answering my questions.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

who cares what a magazine says. judge for yourself with your own personality

Ok..... Camaro

Originally Posted by fdjizm

........ the mustang is basically a rolling POS and can never outhandle any camaro EVER or even come close........

Accurate quote.

I love 'out of context'

Maybe a taaad of topic but I'm still blown away tht the SRT8 Chally beat the Camaro SS AND Mustang GT 500 in the slolom.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ok..... Camaro

Accurate quote.

I love 'out of context'

Maybe a taaad of topic but I'm still blown away tht the SRT8 Chally beat the Camaro SS AND Mustang GT 500 in the slolom.

the srt8 is top of the line....and handles well for a 4000 lb car....everyone likes to talk smack saying it's a tank.....yeah its a tank that goes 0-60 in 4.7 sec and turns well.

lol all these cars are great.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

LOL @ the article being paid off. you know this for sure? no if and or buts about it, according to you the article was DEFINITELY paid off? for sure for sure? because the mustang is basically a rolling POS and can never outhandle any camaro EVER or even come close?

READ the actual article instead of looking at the cover and going NO WAY!!!!
they clearly outline their choices and why. sorry had to voice my opinion i have never seen this level of "NO WAY MAN NO WAY NO FRIKKIN WAY" before.

i will be nice now

i havent read the article but let me know if im close.......

they probably said
"though the camaro and challenger beat the mustang on the track and drag the interior and accesories of the mustang makes it the clear winner here.



they do this all the time

[PQ]

I'll take acceleration over all of it.

So when you add it all up, interior, exterior, road performance, and acceleration, I'd say;

Get yourself a Camaro, get your brother a Chally and get your sister a Mustang.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

i havent read the article but let me know if im close.......

they probably said
"though the camaro and challenger beat the mustang on the track and drag the interior and accesories of the mustang makes it the clear winner here.



they do this all the time

Not really, it's referenced in the vs section which links the actual article. They said the Mustang handled better and was more fun to drive.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

If I were to race the mustang at a drag strip...stock for stock with a camaro and beat it pretty badly, then go to an autocross track and beat it again, how does the mustang win?.

Actually, this leads me to believe that you either didn't read the article or you didn't understand what the results convey. If you race any SS Camaro against a Track Pack equipped Mustang GT on an autocross course, assuming both drivers are decent, your chances of winning roughly equate to the chances of a snowball surviving any meaningful length of time in hell. In Car and Driver's road course evaluation they tested these two vehicles on a circuit with some meaningful straightaways, and Car and Driver made it very clear that this is where the Camaro made up for the handling deficit that car suffers relative to the Mustang. On an Autocross course you typically have the exact opposite with next to nothing in the way of a straight, negating the Camaro's acceleration advantage altogether. Run into a Track Pack Mustang GT on an Autocross course and he is going to hand you your ass every time.

In that respect the Camaro reminds me a lot of the Corvette's from the 1960's, relatively one dimensional cars that were only fair in the corners but which put down serious speed on the straights depending upon the engines used. It's why we see a history where the 289 Cobra consistently trounced the Grand Sport Vette at virtually every venue but Nassau, where the long straights gave the Chevy the opportunity to use that big hp from the larger V8's the GS typically employed and where Shelby typically broke his cars trying to match the Vette in terms of hp.

As for the Camaro itself, if GM wants this car to be remembered as a great performance car they will have to fix the handling issues, no plainer way to state it. As for right now the Camaro is, in a way, a much less expensive take on the same ideology that produced the Buick Grand National in the 1980's. Put simply, a good looking, comfortable, fast car will sell well whether it handles well or not.