how are subarus so fast? - Page 3

Bizaro · 06-16-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stoopid

Oh I wasn't suggesting they were in trouble right now. Far from it. But as more and more competing car makers start adding AWD/optional awd to their vehicles, the uniqueness Subaru once had in the market is becoming greatly diminished. Where they sell well, they sell well because of the AWD capabilities.

Its more than just AWD. Subarus have a crazyyyyy automotive cult following and legendary reliability. Subaru is here to stay no matter what.

8cd · 06-16-2015, 04:31 PM

As many others have said, we have a lot less weight to lug around than you guys. My car was just over 3,280 lbs on the scales, though the newer models are heavier. Another thing that people forget is the STi has extremely short gearing (3.90 final drive and very close trans gearing other than the 4-5 shift). It becomes more of a negative at higher speeds, but at lower speeds if you can shift and have the powerband to match, the AWD system paired with the short gearing is pretty deadly.

GossipSquirrelJelena · 06-16-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wally mayfield

I don't care how fast they are, Im not ever going to get one…I do have my pride in what Im seen in..

Well ya got that going for ya.Bet you read the same nonsense over on the STi forums about Camaros.

Steve Dallas · 06-17-2015, 04:33 AM

stoopid · 06-17-2015, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizaro

Its more than just AWD. Subarus have a crazyyyyy automotive cult following and legendary reliability. Subaru is here to stay no matter what.

Again, I didn't suggest or even say "subaru is going away". But they're going to be taking a hit soon because other car makers are getting hip to their niche. Every maker with a hatchback is coming out with a hot hatch equiv. to the WRX/STI. Most other small SUV models, and even many sedans, are coming with an AWD option. The only place IMO Subaru competes (modded STIs excluded, which is not one of their better selling models) is with the Outback as a station wagon. Only Volvo (maybe VW?) has a comparable AWD model and when you add options the Volvo gets very expensive in a hurry. Not to say a loaded Outback is cheap, but the Volvo is outright expensive. Subaru is succeeding as the result of a few models (Outback, Forester, Impreza/XV), and the competition in those classes is getting tight.

If you look at reliability of all makers, very few are lemons. The gap between best and worse isn't that great. Most cars fall somewhere smack in the middle. The latest numbers put Subaru there with all the rest. Point again is that the things that made Subaru a known brand are no longer unique to Subaru.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...dability-study

stoopid · 06-17-2015, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sherob

You can't throw a stick here in CO without hitting one.

According to this map, Subaru enjoys its best West states AWD sales in Colorado and Washington:

BMR Sales · 06-17-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizaro

Subaru is here to stay no matter what.

Never say that! Remember Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Studebaker, Duesenberg?

Twin Town Terror · 06-17-2015, 11:17 AM

I watched one two weeks ago at Rock Falls run 9.35 @ 139mph. If you didn't look close you would've walked by it in the pits thinking it was bone stock other than stickers, tint, and lowered...

My Cobalt SS sedan (2.0 liter turbo) was a tenth slower in ET but 7mph faster in the quarter than my Camaro. FWD killed the ET.

cujopug · 06-17-2015, 12:33 PM

I have a good friend of mine with a Subaru BRZ with a supercharger. He's putting a little over 300hp to the tires. Weighing in at 1000lbs less than my ZL1, it's stouter than it looks. Handles great.
We took them to a road course for a track day session, both cars did better than expected. He couldn't hang with me, but it's not like I completely lost him either.

wally mayfield · 06-17-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

Well ya got that going for ya.Bet you read the same nonsense over on the STi forums about Camaros.

You'd lose that bet...

PoorMansCamaro · 06-17-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stoopid

Again, I didn't suggest or even say "subaru is going away". But they're going to be taking a hit soon because...

Well it's about time. They've only been using the same engine for almost 15 years. lol

rebelyell22 · 06-17-2015, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Well it's about time. They've only been using the same engine for almost 15 years. lol

The LS series has been around for 23yrs. No need to change a proven platform.

Bizaro · 06-18-2015, 12:12 AM

so much hate for subbies, im the first person to criticize shitty 4 bangers but I gotta give credit where credits due these cars excel at everything.

PoorMansCamaro · 06-18-2015, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rebelyell22

The LS series has been around for 23yrs. No need to change a proven platform.

oh, I wasn't bashing them using the same engine for so long. just saying how ahead of the curve they have been, that they are just now starting to get more competition with other 4bangers.

also, the LS engine has been upgraded a lot in those 23 years. the boxer engine the STi uses hasn't changed at all since 2004 (other than tweaking it for SAE standards)...so I guess it's just over 10 years.

06-17-2015, 11:17 AM	#36
Twin Town Terror Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 329	I watched one two weeks ago at Rock Falls run 9.35 @ 139mph. If you didn't look close you would've walked by it in the pits thinking it was bone stock other than stickers, tint, and lowered... My Cobalt SS sedan (2.0 liter turbo) was a tenth slower in ET but 7mph faster in the quarter than my Camaro. FWD killed the ET. __________________ Elite catch can & clean side oil separator, Apex Scoop, CAI cold air intake, Vmax ported throttle body, TTT ported intake manifold, JacFab intake manifold spacer, Magnaflow cat back exhaust, Weld RT-S 17x5 f and 17x 9 r wheels, MT 28/6/17 f and M&H 275/50/17 r tires, TTT rear seat delete, Nitrous Outlet plate kit, 125hp jets.

06-16-2015, 04:31 PM	#30
8cd Drives: '05 WRX STi 444AWHP 430AWTQ 3280lb Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 17	As many others have said, we have a lot less weight to lug around than you guys. My car was just over 3,280 lbs on the scales, though the newer models are heavier. Another thing that people forget is the STi has extremely short gearing (3.90 final drive and very close trans gearing other than the 4-5 shift). It becomes more of a negative at higher speeds, but at lower speeds if you can shift and have the powerband to match, the AWD system paired with the short gearing is pretty deadly.

06-17-2015, 12:33 PM	#37
cujopug Drives: 2014 Camaro ZL-1 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Dallas, Ga. Posts: 4 View My Garage	I have a good friend of mine with a Subaru BRZ with a supercharger. He's putting a little over 300hp to the tires. Weighing in at 1000lbs less than my ZL1, it's stouter than it looks. Handles great. We took them to a road course for a track day session, both cars did better than expected. He couldn't hang with me, but it's not like I completely lost him either.

06-18-2015, 12:12 AM	#41
Bizaro Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Redhot 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 1,408	so much hate for subbies, im the first person to criticize shitty 4 bangers but I gotta give credit where credits due these cars excel at everything.