Official - Shelby GT350 Mustang debut

[khell86]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Ford bought GMs Mag Ride parts...

As far as i know BWI owns the rights to MagneRide and continues to improve the technology and sell it. Not GM. Sure it was developed by Delphi, which was owned by GM at one point in time, but Delphi was sold off and later purchased by BWI. This suspension system isnt a "GM" suspension system. It's used by multiple car companies. So really this is an independent suspension system developed by a company that was once owned by GM, but isnt actually a GM product since 2009.

[KMPrenger]

They claimed the Z/28 was one of the benchmarked cars during testing. Whether or not they can run with or beat the Z at the track is another story.

I have to agree with another comment I read elsewhere....in that in meany ways this car sounds like more of a ZL1 competitor than a Z/28. Mag ride, all the creature comforts, no real claim of weight reduction (yet), and Brembo cross drilled brakes. I'm not saying that I don't think this car will give the Z/28 a run for its money at all, but it is very compariable to the ZL1 in this respects.

I feel like this car will end up somewhere between the track capabilities of the ZL1 and the Z/28. Just my wild early estimate.

[khell86]

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

Just wondering if there is a reason all the ones I have seen have the crap radio in it is that the only radio to save weight. I know corvette and viper put the big screens in because it actually was under a pound difference in the radios and was stupid for such an expensive car to put a crap looking radio/screen in. I think the viper it was actually light to put the big screen in since most the radio is now built into the brain on the car (VCU).

It's to keep it more track oriented if thats what the driver wants. There is a Tech Package offered which will include leather seats and pretty much all the things found in a premium GT. As well as a track pack, which wasnt discussed much, so i'm anxious to see what that offers. Maybe the CC brakes we've seen and Carbon Fiber wheels.

[Doubleblank]

Originally Posted by LostPony

Several things to comment on:

350R: This car will likely be the IMSA/Pirelli series legal competition car and will have a legal suspension and brake package and will only come as a part number like the Boss competition cars. The only carryover will be the body and engine from the street car.

What I am curious about is how well the engine will hold up. It is a clean sheet design and that presents issues that make me nervous about buying one. In competition form, the car will likely be choked down with restrictor plates and that could hurt it even more. Boss cars were blowing up left and right a few years back when they were given a very large restrictor, and many Ford teams parked in protest.

The GM response: It will be EPIC!

The level of performance a "regular Joe" can buy now from an American automaker is astounding! Way to go 'Murica!

It's going to be interesting to see what motor they put in the next gen 302R/350R for IMSA and WC. We always assume it will be the next best motor used (ie FPC 5.2), but longevity, parts availability, sufficient testing, etc come into play. And with the current Boss motor still running restricted in WC, there's less incentive to look for more HP when the BOP committee will likely just make you run a restrictor anyway. We haven't seen the torque curve, but that might swing it into favor of the FPC, I don't know. And if the FPC motor costs significantly more than the Boss 302 motor, spare motors, etc will make running a FPC 5.2 in competition less attractive.

FYI, we were one of the teams that did the parade lap and parked at Mid Ohio a couple of years ago.

[trashmanssd]

Originally Posted by khell86

It's to keep it more track oriented if thats what the driver wants. There is a Tech Package offered which will include leather seats and pretty much all the things found in a premium GT. As well as a track pack, which wasnt discussed much, so i'm anxious to see what that offers. Maybe the CC brakes we've seen and Carbon Fiber wheels.

Thats a plus i Guess. Why they wouldn't put their best foot forward for press stuff. that center stack looks terrible with that radio/screen. Looks outdated cheap. Same goes for the Z/28 I know its track car really but almost every new car the screen is just that everything is done in the VCU as Software. The radio having gps and bluetooth and all the functions adds at most 2-3 pounds most of it is done with software not hardware. I can see trimming down the speaker size/count especially the larger (bass/sub) speakers to save weight. Most the time you can save a lot more weight getting the middle aged fat guy in the drivers eat to lose weight (myself included in that statement).

[1QwikZ28]

I dont know why everyone keeps talking about longevity of this motor. I dont think its in Ford's best(financial) interest to just stuff a motor in this car without significant R&D. This engine has been in the works for a few years now, it just was not conceived months ago.

Also, this engine surely CANNOT cost more than a Trinity engine. So, I see no reason why costs can't be kept down.

[trashmanssd]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

I dont know why everyone keeps talking about longevity of this motor. I dont think its in Ford's best(financial) interest to just stuff a motor in this car without significant R&D. This engine has been in the works for a few years now, it just was not conceived months ago.

Also, this engine surely CANNOT cost more than a Trinity engine. So, I see no reason why costs can't be kept down.

Thats where the cost comes in not in making the motor as so much in R&D that needs to be offset by its sales.

[shaffe]

watching the video of this driving around...that engine sounds incredible. I can not wait to hear one at WOT at 8K

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

I dont know why everyone keeps talking about longevity of this motor. I dont think its in Ford's best(financial) interest to just stuff a motor in this car without significant R&D. This engine has been in the works for a few years now, it just was not conceived months ago.

Also, this engine surely CANNOT cost more than a Trinity engine. So, I see no reason why costs can't be kept down.

Ford, to my knowledge, has never offered a flat plane crank V8 before. This engine is completely bespoke to this car as is everything from the A pillar forward. They may have been developing it for a few years to get longevity tests done but that costs a lotta money so its probably more expensive to build. With the entire car, from the A pillar forward, being new and bespoke to this car I do not see costs being kept down too well but I'll bet it comes between a ZL1 and a Z/28 in terms of price.

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

Thats where the cost comes in not in making the motor as so much in R&D that needs to be offset by its sales.

Same amount of R&D went into the Coyote and Trinity...

[trashmanssd]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

Same amount of R&D went into the Coyote and Trinity...

Yeah but they sell a lot more Coyote engines to spread that cost over (Cost/per unit sold) and the trinity engine was a lot of the additional cost in a GT500 that car was 55-75K and most on dealer lots were 65k-75K. Now add mag ride, almost entirely different front end parts, bigger front and rear rims tires made to spec for this car. I will be pleased to see it come in in the 55K area but I just dont see it i see 65K plus.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by khell86

As far as i know BWI owns the rights to MagneRide and continues to improve the technology and sell it. Not GM. Sure it was developed by Delphi, which was owned by GM at one point in time, but Delphi was sold off and later purchased by BWI. This suspension system isnt a "GM" suspension system. It's used by multiple car companies. So really this is an independent suspension system developed by a company that was once owned by GM, but isnt actually a GM product since 2009.

Not quite right. MagnaRide is a GM suspension system, Ferrari license it from GM. Also if I remember correctly the first car to use it was the C5 corvette. GM has been improving it the whole time, the 2nd gen MagnaRide was implemented on the C6 ZR1, the 3rd gen MagnaRide was first implemented on the ZL1 (2012), all of it WAS developed by GM.

[khell86]

Originally Posted by truth411

Not quite right. MagnaRide is a GM suspension system, Ferrari license it from GM. Also if I remember correctly the first car to use it was the C5 corvette. GM has been improving it the whole time, the 2nd gen MagnaRide was implemented on the C6 ZR1, the 3rd gen MagnaRide was implemented on the ZL1, all of it WAS developed by GM.

The first car to use it was the Cadillac STS in 2002. It was used by a lot of Caddy products until the company that developed it, Delphi, was sold off by GM in 2008 due to the bankruptcy stuff, and since then has been owned and further developed by BWI. Because of that it is now sold to multiple car companies.

[Denis]

i was just reading that the new Lamborghini Huracan has magnetic suspension as well.