2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Just like it would take a modded Dodge to beat the ZL1 or GT500 today. Unless you already have your hellcat....

Not really, Ive beat quite a few ZL1's when my SuperBee was stock.......As for the GT500, never got a chance to run one with my Bee. But I know the odds are against me. I miss my GT500 sometimes.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I just love that SRT8 owners said they were in a league of their own so it's not fair to compare a SRT8 Challenger to a Camaro or Mustang but now they have the Hellcat and now it's okay....I still think it's a car with very inflated performance numbers and a one trick pony.

From one bent-6 Turbo guy to another,

One trick Clydesdale, maybe?

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

And I stand by that statement. The Hellcat is quicker than anything GM makes, INCLUDING the much more expensive Corvette, and it's various option packages. It's WAY quicker than a stock ZL1. I don't like that fact any more than you do, but it IS a fact.

For one (very brief - no pun) moment in time.

For every SECOND a Hellcat takes to run a 1/4-mile sprint, it represents a WEEK of "Detroit domination" it will have in the tabloids and main streets of America, after YEARS of last-and-fading-fast status. And THEN the New Kid On The Block takes over.

So don't distress. Mother Mopar will put away the party hats, soon enough. And the media will have a fresh plate to slobber on.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Just wait Dave Perciak chief engineer of the Mustang said the Trinity [5.8L SC from GT500] WILL Fit in the new S550...Dodge will be standing there going but but but why are GM and Ford ahead again?????

They should have spent all that R&D time/Money on improving the SRT8 and R/T....imagine if they actually put some time into a new frame...GM and Ford get it....Just Dodge is running up thinking all a car needs is HP...when you make a competition killer with 707HP and you only put on 275 rears....I can't take that seriously.

The current Dodge chassis suffers from TWO problems NOT fixable, this Generation: 1) WEIGHT/SIZE; 2) Tire size-limited bodywork

Trying to make a Z/28 - BOSS competitor out of a Fargo truck is mighty difficult. FIAT will have Lancia-Alfa work up something, next Generation. Maybe.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

I thought GM claimed 11.9 on a drag radial and owners have ran quicker stock where's the lie? ( mind you with only 580hp )

GM isn't backing off the 11.93 auto, 11.96 manual claim either as it's listed in the 2015 product information. Factory tires too!

This topic is worn out. The Hellcat is faster but that does not make it a better car depending on your priorities. That isn't denial. Its priorities.

I bought my new ZL1 for $9,000 under the Hellcat MSRP (and MSRP doesn't include the much needed tires). I can, and will make my ZL1 everything I want it to be. I simply wouldn't even consider a Dodge. A GT500 is tempting

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Since the Challenger is built in Canada, the "Fargo" reference is country-correct.

Suddenly, it's '68, all over again! The same basic structure Dodge used till '93. History, repeating itself.

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[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Maybe it's similar to how Chevy claimed the ZL1 would run 11s all day then the folks with the manuals proceeded to run mid 12s-to low 13s.

They did not say it will run 11s all day and its been pointed out to you so many times its a waste of time to do it again.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Not really, Ive beat quite a few ZL1's when my SuperBee was stock.......As for the GT500, never got a chance to run one with my Bee. But I know the odds are against me. I miss my GT500 sometimes.

One thing no car can make up for...poor driver.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

One thing no car can make up for...poor driver.

I know....those auto ZL1's are a bitch to launch..... Actually, I didn't beat the driver or car but the actual prep before the runs. You really don't want to run a blown car when its heat soaked. If the guys would just let the car cool down, it would have been a different story. I admit that. I was just getting into the whole bickering thing between everyone. I was feeling left out. LOL

Don't get me wrong, I love the ZL1, GT500 or Challenger. Hell, even the SRT8 Charger as of now. I don't care if its Dodge, Chevy or Ford but I grew up a Chevy fan 100%.

People get confused on dyno days. I show up with a Chevy jacket, GT500 shirt and drive up in a Dodge......

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

I know....those auto ZL1's are a bitch to launch..... Actually, I didn't beat the driver or car but the actual prep before the runs. You really don't want to run a blown car when its heat soaked. If the guys would just let the car cool down, it would have been a different story. I admit that. I was just getting into the whole bickering thing between everyone. I was feeling left out. LOL

Don't get me wrong, I love the ZL1, GT500 or Challenger. Hell, even the SRT8 Charger as of now. I don't care if its Dodge, Chevy or Ford but I grew up a Chevy fan 100%.

People get confused on dyno days. I show up with a Chevy jacket, GT500 shirt and drive up in a Dodge......

It's all good! I'm a GM fanboy, but I also know I'm not always on the winning team...being a Minnesota sports fan has made me comfortable losing over and over and over... I just like coming here to stir the pot every now and them to watch the reactions.

Now if dodge could figure out how to work a steering wheel...and why put 275s on a car with 700 hp???? That thing will never hook!!!

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

People get confused on dyno days. I show up with a Chevy jacket, GT500 shirt and drive up in a Dodge......

Keep the people guessing!

[Todd in Vancouver]

Ya this is an old worn out discussion. I'm not a brand fanboy but a guy in our club ran 11.8 in his ZL1 on the F1s with the stock air box still in place. Some of us may go out on Friday night for Street drags at the local drag strip so we will see. Hard to say under the right conditions the hellcat or GT500 may also run quicker so who knows.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Maybe it's similar to how Chevy claimed the ZL1 would run 11s all day then the folks with the manuals proceeded to run mid 12s-to low 13s.

Did you miss post #1511 where I showed you there was no such claim made? Please cut the BS and stick to the facts.

Originally Posted by newmoon

You accuse Dodge of a Hero move with their claim 11:20s, okay well it hasn't been done YET! Lets use the 11:41 time which the car has already posted. This time is better than 99.9% of the stock 13/14 GT500s out there which probably have thousands of combined attempts between them, many in ideal conditions. So again where has Dodge failed in this?

Show me the Cars.com time slips from the GT500 and ZL1? Oh, they haven't taken the other two to the drag strip?? MotorTrend has reviewed all three. What were the results?

GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph automatic
ZL1: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph

How does the manual Kitty stack up against these manual GT500 and ZL1 times?

Originally Posted by Front Runner

It seems some people here have suffered a blow to their pride because of the media and popularity surrounding the Hellcat being rated at 707 hp. They see that their Camaro or Mustang isnt the HP heavy hitter on the block anymore. As a result, they try to belittle the HC in everyway possible instead of just accepting that it's the most powerful production pony/muscle car ever built and is listed at a reasonable price.

I don't think anyone is shallow enough to base their pride on HP. It's a matter of how it uses (or fails to use) all that power. Why Dodge cripples its cars with 275's and 4,500lbs is beyond me. As a factory drag car you can daily drive it, looks very good. Some of us prefer a more well rounded performance package though and at this price point there are many contenders.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Just getting you on a technicality, those are times from 2013 Corvettes that are no longer in production. There is no 14 Z06 or ZR1

Right. However, this thread is full of GT500 references and that car is no longer in production either. The reality is a Z06, ZR1 and GT500 are on the streets today, whereas the Hellokitty has yet to be released.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Despite what a ton of people say there is more skill involved in drag racing than just mashing the gas

Having experience with both, I will say Joe Blow is much more likely to run close to his cars potential on a drag strip (especially in an automatic) than he is on a road course given the same amount of time/preparation. There is so much more involved on a racetrack than a drag race of 12 seconds in a straight line with your own lane. I'm not saying it doesn't take skill, preparation, reflexes etc, but it's not nearly as demanding or costly.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Dodge was pretty upfront that it was done at a NHRA track, and if you have raced on both NHRA tracks and IHRA tracks there is a noticeable difference. I have raced at Route 66 in Joliet and GLD in Wisconsin, and at 66 the track prep was always better. Seeing the car run an 11.40 in August at GLD, I have no doubts this car can ran an 11.2.

This is really the crux of the conversation. How would the GT500 and ZL1 of fared at that same NHRA prepped drag strip? We need some same day, same track comparisons to draw from and since all three are available with 6-speed manuals, I think that will be the most telling.

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Gotta love that it will take a modded ZL1 or GT500 to beat a stock Hellcat.........

MotorTrend didn't think so.
GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph automatic

[2011shelby]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

They did not say it will run 11s all day and its been pointed out to you so many times its a waste of time to do it again.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Did you miss post #1511 where I showed you there was no such claim made? Please cut the BS and stick to the facts.

So soon we forget when defending our cars.

“The ZL1 is great at everything and we’re very proud of that,” said Tony Roma, Camaro ZL1 program engineering manager. “You can take it to the drag strip and run 11-second quarter-miles all day long. You can also take it to a road course, where it’s balanced, handles well, and does exactly what you want – including lapping Virginia International Raceway’s Grand Course in under three minutes – and yet the ZL1 is sophisticated enough to use as a daily driver. It’s a supercar you can drive every day.”

Link: http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/...amaro_zl1.html