2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Those praising it who haven't driven it Cary the same validity.

Best post in here.

If they don't upgrade the suspension significantly it will be as the autoblog guy said.

I agree that the autoblog and jalopnik guys are freaking hacks. 99% of the time you can tell they are trying to force something out that might sound smart. Bunch of small minded dicks.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I assume that was a shot at me since I said it won't handle like dick.

My feelings aren't hurt.

Simply stating that comparing a 60,000 dollar muscle car to a 90,000 dollar supercar-performing sports car seems like a pretty retarded way to make a point when trying to explain why you think a particular car is stupid and unnecessary.

Wasn't taking a shot at you. You said he complains about a car he hadn't driven. I used that same logic for people praising a car they haven't driven. Don't read more into what I wrote...I meant what I wrote, not what I didn't write.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Well the thread is about a Dodge. So what are we supposed to talk about? If it bugs you so much maybe you should lobby the administrator to lose the other cars section. I bet it wouldn't bug you so much to talk about a Dodge if it had 707hp and only ran 13's.

I guess I do such a fine job as a sarcastic cynical soul that when I write something to mean EXACTLY what I wrote, some think I'm up to something.

The admins, and TRAN, thank your voluminous input, as well...as did I.

As to some "worthy" Hellcat pilots only getting 13's, those runs will show up on YooHooTube as well. Count on it...

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

Did LOWDOWN write that?

Nope. Not every media maven was blinded by the exotic Portland location and complimentary Subway sandwich lunch, courtesy of Dodge...

Originally Posted by motorhead

it will handle plenty good enough for the street and have enough power [to] terrorize the neighborhood.

Dodge's marketing strategy, and target market, FULLY explained...

Obviously, you don't write for a living. In all the blog posts written thus far, no one but you has written "the plan" so succinctly. Because pro writers get paid by the word/line/page, and you gave away the store for about $0.57...

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

You said he complains about a car he hadn't driven. I used that same logic for people praising a car they haven't driven. Don't read more into what I wrote...I meant what I wrote, not what I didn't write.

Here's the deal, WD: You're either part of the problem, or you're crashing cymbals for the Hellcat. There is NO place, here, for objectivity...NONE!

Got it?!

[now, folks, that's sarcasm AND cynicism, all in one! ]

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Back in my day I can't remember anyone blowing smoke about how well their car handled. Only we cared about was how quickly a car would go.

Honestly, in the real world that holds true today. I can't remember ever being at a car show, cruise, meet or some other kind of performance car event where someone asked, or cared, how a car handled or how fast it went around a certain road course. I think the Euro trash magazine writers are the reason everyone thinks that new pony/muscle cars need to handle like true sports cars or a BMW M3.

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Honestly, in the real world that holds true today. I can't remember ever being at a car show, cruise, meet or some other kind of performance car event where someone asked, or cared, how a car handled or how fast it went around a certain road course. I think the Euro trash magazine writers are the reason everyone thinks that new pony/muscle cars need to handle like true sports cars or a BMW M3.

So true

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Honestly, in the real world that holds true today. I can't remember ever being at a car show, cruise, meet or some other kind of performance car event where someone asked, or cared, how a car handled or how fast it went around a certain road course. I think the Euro trash magazine writers are the reason everyone thinks that new pony/muscle cars need to handle like true sports cars or a BMW M3.

Come on, now. Why was the original Z/28 such a vaunted car? Blindingly quick acceleration? No. Boss 302? No. Any Firebird Formula or Trans Am? No. Corvettes? Not really.

In 1979, 35 years ago, firebird outsold Camaro by a w-I-d-e margin. Over 100,000 TRANS AM's were sold. "Radial Tuned Suspension". WS6. NOT recent events, folks.

Original-era muscle cars were sold, largely, with taxi-cab trim and BIG mutha engines...and DRUM brakes...and OPTIONAL "handling packages" with anti-sway rear stabilizer bars. "Do those make it quicker in the 1/4-mile? No? Then I can't afford that crap..."

Don Yenko is credited with creating COPO 9737 - Sports conversion Package (Z/28 suspension/wheels/tires included), which EVERY YENKO Camaro produced in '69 had available. To give the car some semblance of "balance". And THAT was 45 years ago...

FE2, F41, Competition Handling Package (mandatory on all CJ Mustangs, along with Disc Brakes)... MAGIC components for folks who NEEDED some road-worthy balance in their lives...just to perhaps SAVE their lives...

"Handling" ain't some new-fangled camaro5-created "myth". It's been there all along, for the KNOWING...and the WISE.

[rocket403]

Sure they had the handling packages on all the cars but the most they talked about was how fast they could go through the cones, that was about it.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Sure they had the handling packages on all the cars but the most they talked about was how fast they could go through the cones, that was about it.

Through the "cones", or through the "lights"?

Where is NHRA attendance, these days, in relation to other aspects of motorsports? In a STEEP decline. As is drag strip usage. How many have closed in the last 15-20 years?

Good Guys used to have nostalgia drags at many events. Now they have a couple. But they have AUTO-X @ EVERY EVENT!

Why?

This is NOT 1970, anymore.

Ever heard of PRO TOUR? THE fastest-growing segment of hot rodding?

Drag racing is sooooo '70s...

[DrkPhx]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Through the "cones", or through the "lights"?

Where is NHRA attendance, these days, in relation to other aspects of motorsports? In a STEEP decline. As is drag strip usage. How many have closed in the last 15-20 years?

Good Guys used to have nostalgia drags at many events. Now they have a couple. But they have AUTO-X @ EVERY EVENT!

Why?

This is NOT 1970, anymore.

Ever heard of PRO TOUR? THE fastest-growing segment of hot rodding?

Drag racing is sooooo '70s...

Really? That's a ridiculous statement. It's still popular at the grass roots level where anyone can bracket race or TnT. 1/4 mi is still the standard for acceleration tests.. forget about 0-60. I can't speak for every NHRA national events, but every time I attend the BIR Nationals here it's packed.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Honestly, in the real world that holds true today. I can't remember ever being at a car show, cruise, meet or some other kind of performance car event where someone asked, or cared, how a car handled or how fast it went around a certain road course. I think the Euro trash magazine writers are the reason everyone thinks that new pony/muscle cars need to handle like true sports cars or a BMW M3.

GM, Ford have proven there is a market for handling. ZL1, Boss 302 LS, Z/28, 1LE, etc. I bet Dodge would too if they built a road course focused car.

Nothing against the hellcat, but this isn't the 70's. Some want more, and some don't. But in todays real world people are buying road course focused cars too.

[rocket403]

Was at Cayuga 2 weeks ago and the place was packed to see the Nitro Nationals had a great time.
Here is a little Camaro content, and what track has closed down in the Toronto area Georgetown that was in the 70's

[macwest]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Through the "cones", or through the "lights"?

Where is NHRA attendance, these days, in relation to other aspects of motorsports? In a STEEP decline. As is drag strip usage. How many have closed in the last 15-20 years?

Good Guys used to have nostalgia drags at many events. Now they have a couple. But they have AUTO-X @ EVERY EVENT!

Why?

This is NOT 1970, anymore.

Ever heard of PRO TOUR? THE fastest-growing segment of hot rodding?

Drag racing is sooooo '70s...

If you want to get technical biggest seller Is nascar dirt tracks and on a rounder does not say much on handling that you are arguing for. But dirt track nascar is fun, exciting and low cost to go see. But I sure would not want a car I buy to be set up like one of them.

[rocket403]

Growing up in the 70's the 1/4 mile was the ticket maybe for some of the younger guys it isn't but most people on this thread have said that the 1/4 is what they are into.
here is another Camaro

[07-SRT]

Drag racing is so 70's and dying that Ford put line lock on the 2015 Mustang to use on a road course.