2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by archtaan

The funny irony in your post is that the 2011 392 SRT out handles the SS. Not by much but its very, very close. Gets destroyed by the 1LE and ZL1 though.

Lightning lap times C&D VIR

1LE 3:01.50

Boss LS 3:02.80

Mustang GT 3:08.60

SRT392 3:09.40

Camaro SS 3:09.50

The outstanding handling capability of the ZL1 and 1LE have given the impression that all Camaro's handle better than Challengers. On the flip side, the initial tests of the peg leg early SRT8 6.1 challengers has given the impression that it cant handle at all.

Indeed the $48,000 Challenger finally beat the $36,000 Camaro around VIR three years later by a whopping one tenth of one second.

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Indeed the $48,000 Challenger finally beat the $36,000 Camaro around VIR three years later by a whopping one tenth of one second.

Yup, and the $40,000 Core will whoop it even more. Your point? The SS needs an update. More power, more something. It has great styling and is a great all around performer, but its 3rd place now when it was on top.

While the Z28 is undeniably the most badass Camaro to ever roam the streets from the factory, its price point puts it out of reach of the normal buyers looking at the bread and butter cars. The SS is losing in the straights and the turns now and Chevy doesnt really seem to care. That or they have been putting all their focus on the Z and the Vette. Maybe now that they are underway, they will circle back around and take care of the needs of the bulk of their customers.

[DrkPhx]

That's simply amazing and major credit goes to Dodge for stepping up big time for making this car. I love my car, but this is what Chevy should have done with the ZL1. It would pay tribute to it's real heritage.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by archtaan

Yup, and the $40,000 Core will whoop it even more. Your point? The SS needs an update. More power, more something. It has great styling and is a great all around performer, but its 3rd place now when it was on top.



While the Z28 is undeniably the most badass Camaro to ever roam the streets from the factory, its price point puts it out of reach of the normal buyers looking at the bread and butter cars. The SS is losing in the straights and the turns now and Chevy doesnt really seem to care. That or they have been putting all their focus on the Z and the Vette. Maybe now that they are underway, they will circle back around and take care of the needs of the bulk of their customers.

Bravo.


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[AEP11]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The guys at Hennessy are pretty shitty too. HPE700 ZL1 ran 10.8s @ 131.5 with 60 of 1.7265. 671rwhp Go to 1.28 on video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpLHGcM7qM

No surprise those guys are putting out shit times.

With that power it should be clicking off 1.4's ALL DAY.


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[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by archtaan

Yup, and the $40,000 Core will whoop it even more. Your point? The SS needs an update. More power, more something. It has great styling and is a great all around performer, but its 3rd place now when it was on top.

Please show me this SRT Core lap time. The Camaro continues to outsell both the Mustang and Challenger for 5 consecutive years. For the money, Dodge doesn't make anything that can compete with the GT or SS.

Originally Posted by archtaan

The SS is losing in the straights and the turns now and Chevy doesnt really seem to care. That or they have been putting all their focus on the Z and the Vette. Maybe now that they are underway, they will circle back around and take care of the needs of the bulk of their customers.

The 1LE is a SS and it most certainly does not lose in the turns. Considering the Camaro outsells both the Mustang and the Challenger, I think it's safe to say GM is meeting the needs of its customers. You seem to forget the next Mustang goes into production any day now and the Camaro is gaining an entirely new platform and drivetrain for 2016. This is why there is lack of enthusiasm for the Dodge offerings.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by AEP11

No surprise those guys are putting out shit times.

With that power it should be clicking off 1.4's ALL DAY.

Jessrayo's 60 of 1.45 with 10.6 @ 134.45 probably is more to your expectation but he shot nitrous in 3rd into his 835 rwhp (1200 rwhp on nitrous) ZL1 to hit this one.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...21013&page=103

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Please show me this SRT Core lap time. The Camaro continues to outsell both the Mustang and Challenger for 5 consecutive years. For the money, Dodge doesn't make anything that can compete with the GT or SS.

The 1LE is a SS and it most certainly does not lose in the turns. Considering the Camaro outsells both the Mustang and the Challenger, I think it's safe to say GM is meeting the needs of its customers. You seem to forget the next Mustang goes into production any day now and the Camaro is gaining an entirely new platform and drivetrain for 2016. This is why there is lack of enthusiasm for the Dodge offerings.

The 1LE is a badass SS. No doubt. Outhandles the Boss LS in its own backyard Best $3500 option on the market.

However, the 1.71% (1400 units sold 2013) take rate on the 1LE sure isnt setting any sales records.

I can understand why the Mustang sales are down, everyone is getting ready for the mystery number GT production to start. Doesnt matter what the specs are, it will be faster and handle better than the SS.

The Challenger has always lagged in sales vs. the Mustang and the Camaro, but it has a much higher take rate on V8 cars vs. the Camaro. For the Challenger, V8 cars have outsold the V6 cars every single year except for 2012 where 1800 or so more V6 cars were sold than V8's.

Remember, more V6 Auto Camaros are sold than all V8 Camaros combined. The ZL1 and Z28's outstanding marketing and reviews are driving the sales despite their very low sales numbers. Perfect marketing strategy if you ask me.

That 2016 platform update for the SS cant happen fast enough. When it does, the SS will not only lead sales, but it will likely be kind of the hill again in its market segment.

Then in 2017-2018 when the LC gets its new lighter/smaller chassis it will take the lead again. Then Ford will leapfrog again. Isnt it great!

[rocket403]

For 2013 Dodge Challenger, Charger, 300 Brampton plant units sold Canada n US

Charger 102924

Challenger 52976

300 63099


Production 218999 2013 model year
from the same platform same Brampton Plant
so I would think the platform and plant are at almost full capacity

Brampton also produces the 300 right hand drive for Europe

add in Europe and Misc. total production for 2013 was 244771

I think Dodge is selling more RWD cars than Chevy at this time,

for 2013 Chevy
Camaro 80k
Vette 17k
SS 418

[newmoon]

Checking out the video a few more times and just watching this car launch is a thing of beauty. No 5000-rpm driveline killing antics, no wheel hop, no sideways hook and go. The car looks like it is sitting there at 1000-rpms, nails the gas on green no wheel-spin, it just launches and goes perfectly straight. Why would you need bigger DRs than the 275s it would only slow you down. If anything the car would benefit from lightweight wheels and skinnies out front.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Checking out the video a few more times and just watching this car launch is a thing of beauty. No 5000-rpm driveline killing antics, no wheel hop, no sideways hook and go. The car looks like it is sitting there at 1000-rpms, nails the gas on green no wheel-spin, it just launches and goes perfectly straight. Why would you need bigger DRs than the 275s it would only slow you down. If anything the car would benefit from lightweight wheels and skinnies out front.

Is there another video other than the Gas Monkey one? That was not a actual run, it was a produced Internet TV commercial.

[4VFTW]

1st mods you do to the Hellcat are all weight reduction....15" wheel setup , lightweight exhaust parts, CF driveshaft if not already there , then pull the swaybar and seats for a racing bucket and go low 10's

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I think Dodge is selling more RWD cars than Chevy at this time,

for 2013 Chevy
Camaro 80k
Vette 17k
SS 418

And how do those cars compare in their respective segments?

Camaro 46,672 YTD
Challenger 26,281 YTD

Corvette 17,744 YTD
Viper 354 YTD

Impala 78,499 YTD
SS 1,662 YTD
Charger 49,767 YTD
300 26,014 YTD

It doesn't take a RWD car to outsell Dodge in the full size segment. The Impala does it with ease. Camaro and Corvette are simply out of Dodge's league. But at least Jeep is doing well.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Checking out the video a few more times and just watching this car launch is a thing of beauty. No 5000-rpm driveline killing antics, no wheel hop, no sideways hook and go. The car looks like it is sitting there at 1000-rpms, nails the gas on green no wheel-spin, it just launches and goes perfectly straight. Why would you need bigger DRs than the 275s it would only slow you down. If anything the car would benefit from lightweight wheels and skinnies out front.

As AEP11 pointed out in post #907, the run you see on video was likely not the actual pass. If they did roast the clutch after three passes as rumors suggest, they are launching pretty hard in the M6. The video looks like an auto. There may be more drama in the launch on a timed run.

Remember when the ZL1 debuted:
Chevy engineers ran a stock ZL1 at the drag strip and ran the car in the 11-second range with both the automatic and manual transmissions.
http://wot.motortrend.com/stock-2012...#ixzz37G1ayYUf

Then the reviews came out and we get low 12's which is where the vast majority of ZL1's perform.
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph

This is why I will wait for independent reviewers to get their hands on the car.

Originally Posted by archtaan

Then in 2017-2018 when the LC gets its new lighter/smaller chassis it will take the lead again. Then Ford will leapfrog again. Isnt it great!

This is what enthusiasts were hoping for. Not just a monster engine dropped in an outdated platform. The 'Cuda or whatever they were hinting at recently would be the game changer.

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

1st mods you do to the Hellcat are all weight reduction....15" wheel setup , lightweight exhaust parts, CF driveshaft if not already there , then pull the swaybar and seats for a racing bucket and go low 10's

15" rims dont fit the rear of the Challenger due to the Brembos. 17's barely fit on the older ones. Some people do convert them to the V6 calipers, but those are for the really hardcore guys. The rear seat delete and pulling the front seat is @ 100#'s of weight. The passenger seat is around 60#'s as well