GM fined 35 million

[TxBandit911]

Originally Posted by jd10013

and again, you have no idea what your talking about. when the engineers were test driving vehicles it would happen to them. just the slightest brush against the steering column would sometimes cause the ignition to move into the off position. they wrote memo's about it, and initially GM ordered a new ignition designed. but that never happened, well, not till 2007 anyway. it has nothing to do with anybodies driving ability.

rather than spouting ignorance, read up on it a little bit

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...2c4_story.html

this part is key:
"March 2005: The engineering manager of the Cobalt closes an investigation into ignition switch problems, saying that proposed fixes would take too long and cost too much, and that “none of the solutions represents an acceptable business case.”

What you just said had nothing to do with my statement...loss of engine power should not result in instant death, period.


Your engine can shut off for a thousand different reasons with no notice at all. If you crash because the engine shut off, then you're just an idiot. Not like I've been driving for 20+ years or anything...this has happened to me before, engine stopped running. Hell, why weren't cars flying off the road at random when vehicles didnt even come with power steering. Now if the steering wheel locked, that's another story, that would suck.

[Todd in Vancouver]

Originally Posted by TxBandit911

If you guys think no one else does this on a regular basis, youre nuts. The media just decided to target GM and make an example out of them. For some reason these media assholes hate domestic companies. Its like they want them to go out of business so we are so dependent on other countries for everything we are forced to a one world gov that controls everything everyone on the planet does....

Both sides of this issue was about money, making GM look bad was about someone gaining a better market share, GM deciding to not recall this part was about saving money.

GM is so evil thinking that the average person should be able to control a vehicle if the engine dies....

+1

Toyota gas pedal sticking - found guilty because people can't figure out to keep their floor matts away from the gas

Ford - anyone remember the Pinto just for starters

Etc. Etc. etc. you get the picture.

ALL Car companies have these issues and all of them have hid things from consumers at one point or another. GM just got caught and for whatever reason the media has decided to make it their lead story, blame it on a slow news day. It's the same issue with Pit Bulls, the media LOVES a good Pit Bull headline but all other dog issues are missing the dogs breed.

We have a media problem, and until the public tells the media we want news, not their opinion or agenda, nothing will change.

[Ruebernard]

Originally Posted by Comrando

So people hang five pounds of keys off their ignition switch and their knee hits the keychain and the car turns off. Guess what? Turn the key back on!

I wonder what happens when they have a blow-out or run out of fuel.

[SIN R G]

I know where to come up with 35 million. Heck I could probably save GM 70 million. Just don't pay the executives their 2nd quarter bonus. Problem Solved.

[Wolvie70]

What is GM worried about the sheeple just bail them out again if needed.

[gpskinzhut]

Originally Posted by Wolvie70

What is GM worried about the sheeple just bail them out again if needed.

I don't think the sheep had anything to do with that decision.

[McRat]

If only lawyers were held to same yardstick of perfection and foresight as Engineers are.

The world would be a better place.

Sadly, a lawyer has to do more than just suck at what he does to get punished. In fact, if he REALLY sucks, he actually makes more money, since he bills by the hour. So if an issue could be settled to the client's favor in 2 hours by an average attorney, but in fact he screws up at each step, and ends up taking 40 hours to cause his client to lose, he makes far more money and is considered a hero.

[McRat]

For the Legal Beagles out there:

Do they report Win/Loss ratios for lawyers?

Of course not. It Would Be Unethical. Or is that is that called Accountable?

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

That's GM's fault, too. GM should provide unlimited fuel access and invincible tires.

I can't believe what you trying to say
Just wonder , if someone close to you , was on those 13 known people killed by that very same defect if you would be saying the same

And if you respond to this post with a yes , you are a freaking LIAR

You may as well join those that responded with a. I TAKE THE FIFTH sh,,t

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Jackass

I can't believe what you trying to say
Just wonder , if someone close to you , was on those 13 known people killed by that very same defect if you would be saying the same

And if you respond to this post with a yes , you are a freaking LIAR

You may as well join those that responded with a. I TAKE THE FIFTH sh,,t

If someone close to you thinks they can jump from rooftop to rooftop, no matter how awesome they are, and they fall, is it anyone's fault but their own or is the fault that the buildings are too far apart? Does it change if the guy who died jumping gives to charity or has a newborn? It doesn't matter whether they're close to you, a good person, or anything else. These people tragically died, but those deaths were more likely caused by heavy keychains filled with crap rather than poorly engineered cars.

GM proved that the problem was not replicated with lightweight keychains.

Regardless of who died, blame is going to be attributed to someone, and it's pretty easy to blame a faceless company and forget that nice people make life-threatening decisions every day.

[sticks88]

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

+1

Toyota gas pedal sticking - found guilty because people can't figure out to keep their floor matts away from the gas

Ford - anyone remember the Pinto just for starters

Etc. Etc. etc. you get the picture.

ALL Car companies have these issues and all of them have hid things from consumers at one point or another. GM just got caught and for whatever reason the media has decided to make it their lead story, blame it on a slow news day. It's the same issue with Pit Bulls, the media LOVES a good Pit Bull headline but all other dog issues are missing the dogs breed.

We have a media problem, and until the public tells the media we want news, not their opinion or agenda, nothing will change.

They used to call the Ford Pinto "the BBQ that seats 4 ".

[kinpin]

Originally Posted by CCS71

Wow. Wonder if the bad publicity will hurt sales. The recall did not affect the Camaro, but there was a systemic failure to report a safety issue and, per the media, a climate that promoted sweeping the issue under the rug. Let's hear your comments/opinions.

Big company's on wall street choose PROFIT over doing the right thing all the time. It is a shame but ethics have gone out the window when money is involved. I think any company caught doing something like this need to be made an example of and pay thought the nose for it . I also think if there where people hurt or the potential for someone to get hurt because a company chooses to do the wrong thing. Criminal charges should be brought on all party's involved as well as personal fines . I think if big CEO and executives are help personally accountable for there action they may think twice about how they get that big bonus...

[McRat]

The goal is to make everything idiot proof.

What does that say about us?

People have known it's stupid to put a huge amount of weight on an ignition switch for decades.

Now, we are stupider. We expect to do dumb things without issues.

[Mrdownsouth]

Originally Posted by TxBandit911

What you just said had nothing to do with my statement...loss of engine power should not result in instant death, period.


Your engine can shut off for a thousand different reasons with no notice at all. If you crash because the engine shut off, then you're just an idiot. Not like I've been driving for 20+ years or anything...this has happened to me before, engine stopped running. Hell, why weren't cars flying off the road at random when vehicles didnt even come with power steering. Now if the steering wheel locked, that's another story, that would suck.

+1