Who has dominated the Pony Car Wars?

[ChrisBlair]

I had a '78 Firebird Formula with that same 305. I won't say it was bad...but the only thing it was faster than was the changing of seasons

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Forget what you read and find out the right way...stock for stock the 5.0 is faster..even camaro owners like myself found out eventually. I wont get into which engine is better. No slips, its faster...trust me

Trust me I also know, I just sold a 2013 5.0 Mustang to get this 2014 SS. The Camaro is alot stronger down low, Mustang 5.0 screams on top however if they weighed the same the outcome would be close...I like'em both.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

I had a '78 Firebird Formula with that same 305. I won't say it was bad...but the only thing it was faster than was the changing of seasons

The 305 was a JOKE....no wonder it doesnt exist anymore. That engine should be right up there with those aluminum Vega motors....

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

Your wrong about the Coyote's "hunting SS Camaro's" one at a time, we all know the LS3 has more power all around its just a matter of about 300lbs with the Camaro. From everything ive seen and read the race between a Coyote and a LS3 is a drivers race, one slip and it can go either way.

Stop reading and go out and find out for yourself...I can read all day long how a bolt on Civic SI can beat a SS or 5.0, doesn't make it true though.

Technically any race is a drivers race. I beat a GT500 in my wife's V6 Camaro. Is the V6 the faster car? No, but that guy couldn't drive so I beat him. So I guess I can say a V6 Camaro and a GT500 is a drivers race.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by calebparkin3

Stop reading and go out and find out for yourself...I can read all day long how a bolt on Civic SI can beat a SS or 5.0, doesn't make it true though.

Technically any race is a drivers race. I beat a GT500 in my wife's V6 Camaro. Is the V6 the faster car? No, but that guy couldn't drive so I beat him. So I guess I can say a V6 Camaro and a GT500 is a drivers race.

IF you beat a GT500 with a V6 Camaro you should be awarded member of the year and I doubt thats happening anytime soon cause its a lie what you said.

Im not goin out and "finding out" anything, ive both the 5.0 and the SS so I know firsthand and not from a blowhard on C5

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

IF you beat a GT500 with a V6 Camaro you should be awarded member of the year and I doubt thats happening anytime soon cause its a lie what you said.

Im not goin out and "finding out" anything, ive both the 5.0 and the SS so I know firsthand and not from a blowhard on C5

I'm sorry were you there at the track that day watching the pass? Am I mistaken that my 9.4 is faster than his 9.7? If I am wrong and a 9.4 is slower than a 9.7 I apologize. It's not my fault that he blew the tires off on the launch, or missed second. I didn't beat the car I beat the driver (drivers race).

I too have owned both 5.0 and SS at the same time no less...I can tell you without a doubt the 5.0 is faster than a SS with equal drivers.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by calebparkin3

I'm sorry were you there at the track that day watching the pass? Am I mistaken that my 9.4 is faster than his 9.7? If I am wrong and a 9.4 is slower than a 9.7 I apologize. It's not my fault that he blew the tires off on the launch, or missed second. I didn't beat the car I beat the driver (drivers race).

I too have owned both 5.0 and SS at the same time no less...I can tell you without a doubt the 5.0 is faster than a SS with equal drivers.

Yea damn sorry I missed that race...yes the 5.0 is faster because it weighs less, you get a good driver against a so-so 5.0 driver then the SS wins thats all im saying. End of discussion by me.

[Muscle Car Lover]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

The financing companies. They never lose.

Yup!

My heart never stopped nor did I ever feel like I would sell a finger or two just to have a Mustang. Several Camaro models I have, the latest iteration most certainly. It's all about personal preference.

Some guys think the AMC AMX was the baddest pony car ever. And if they want to drive one, I think that's just aces for them.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by big hammer

yup. when the mustang was out of production for a while. the mustang II was also a compact car and not a pony car.

Uh...remember PINTO, the basis for the Mustang II? I can assure you Ford dealers targeted Camaro-Firebird (and Cuda-Challenger, initially) buyers. V8s, '75-on, certainly had buyers thinking they were buying a "pony car".

stopping production of the Camaro was not about lack of sales. actually the Camaro\firebird combo was the second best selling cars in it's class. the real reason gm temporarily stopped production of the Camaro was because they badly needed to close the expensive to operate plant in quebec, which had a contract to build the Camaro until around 2017 or so. so as long as they were building a Camaro, they legally had to build it in quebec. the only other option was to cease building the Camaro until they could shut down and dispose of the quebec plant.

The day Ste. Therese closed, the average cost for GM to build vehicles in Canada-USA went UP! And that tidbit came from upper-level GM-Detroit, at that time.

Ste. Therese was, in FACT, the lowest-cost non-Mexican assembly facility GM had in North America...because of Government subsidy. Quebec got burned more than once. Do a google on "Hyundai Bromont".

[shine2013]

Sales it's the Mustang. The performance I think it's a slight edge to the Camaro at best, but overall it's even.

The gen 3s looked nice, but from what I've seen gen 3 Mustangs ate them alive.

The Gen 4 Mustangs looked better, but the Camaros ate them until the Terminators came out.

Gen 5 Camaro killed the Mustangs until the 5.0, but Chevy has been upping the ante with different models.

I've read people say weight is what kills the Camaro, but what I've seen at the track is that it's a drivers race.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Wrong on an idiotic level!

completely correct, actually. not one single quick mustang gt was produced until 2011.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

The day Ste. Therese closed, the average cost for GM to build vehicles in Canada-USA went UP! And that tidbit came from upper-level GM-Detroit, at that time.

Ste. Therese was, in FACT, the lowest-cost non-Mexican assembly facility GM had in North America...because of Government subsidy. Quebec got burned more than once. Do a google on "Hyundai Bromont".

wrong. quebec is an insane place to do business. in fact, speaking English is considered evil. everything must be translated.

there's a reason we were being bombarded with 5th gen proto pics shortly after the plant closed. it was in the plans all along.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

The 305 was a JOKE....no wonder it doesnt exist anymore. That engine should be right up there with those aluminum Vega motors....

yet it made more power than the mustang in the 80's.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Stew

You do realize the original Mustang was based on Ford's economy car too, right? All of your posts show a serious lack of any knowledge. the Mustang GT was quicker than ANY Camaro through the 80s and until 92, the 3V GTs weren't that far off an LS1s average pace (let's be honest, the ones running 12s were factory freaks and most were mid 13s or worse), And the 03-09 Mustang Gt was CERTAINLY quicker than it's Camaro counterpart. hell, I would say there were versions of the Mustang II that were quicker than their overweight counterparts with their neutered V8s, especially in the late 70s. the Mustang NEVER ceased production and really the mustang 2 returned the Mustang to it's roots of smaller, lighter, cheaper, and based on Ford's economy car. It was the 70s for Christ Sakes, everything was neutered........

the trans am destroyed the mustang in the 80's.

the 3v gt's were jokes. nearly a second slower than the ls1. and yes, the mustang ceased production from 74-78. in 79 the mustang returned and the mustang II was discontinued.