What Grinds My Gears!!!!

[BlackXIV]

Originally Posted by FutureBumbleBee

So much is wrong with this post.
No evolution isn't perfect, but evolution is basically nature. A consciousless mind. Evolution is a process, a collection of random events over billions of years.
Kids are turds today because parents are bad parents. They use really bad parenting techniques such as "Grounding" to punish behavior they caused/allowed. If you need religion to be a good person, you're a BAD person. People grow up realizing, if taught well, that there are consequences for their actions, in THEIR lifetime. Forcing people to obey madeup pointless rules is horrible.

If I don't like America... get out?
Really, that's your solution? It's your way or the highway? Man the whole point of being a citizen is if you don't like something you get to change it for the better. In cases like this where the biased majority is way larger than the minority.


People will ask "Well WHY does it hurt you?" and it doesn't matter, the point is people don't understand why it hurts me so they just ignore it and treat it like it doesn't matter. It's simple. Keep religion OUT of government in any way.

ALSO, if it's not a big deal to most of you, why is it those same people would be upset if it was taken out?

You dont know it but you are part of a religion, Darwinism. Evolution and adaptaion are so close to the same but not. Evolution is a belief that all life began from a single celled organism. Adaptation is when existing life adapts to a new environment or habitat. If you moved to another city would you evolve to your new surroundings?

I agree with the crappy parenting thing.

As far as needing religion to be a good person youre right. I wasn't a good person. I was involed with gangs, drugs, completely on the wrong track. Then I met my wife and all that stuff was behind me. She went to Church without me for a long time and I would go every now and then to make her happy. Everytime I went, the sermon was about me and my sins. It was God working in my heart. It took me a few more years before I got saved but i realized these were my gifts from Him. i know now after 10 years of marriage and two daughters that He put her into my life so that I could know He was seeking me. And I'm sure I am not the only one who has a story like this, some just haven't figured it out yet. But the best part is He will accept you no matter what type of person you are.

I don't want to force you or anyone to do anything. I don't want you out of OUR country. I just pray that God work in your hearts so that you can experience His mercy and grace. In my opinion religion needs to be in everything we do as people and a country. It is the only way to make the Godly inspired decisions that this Country of ours needs.

I am in no way perfect, I am a sinner, but I work on trying to be better for the Lord, family, everyone else, then finally me.

[Matrix]

I dont want to offend any one here BUT I feel ALL religions were man made to divide and conquor and control the masses.

I do believe there is a "God" but NOT as the form we are led to believe.

The people that started all this reliogious talk did so also to divert the TRUTH away from the TRUTH about "GOD" and our existence.

I truly believe that we are on a verge of finding out everything.

Just study ancient civilizations/ The Illuminati etc. etc.

Let me just end by saying "We are NOT alone!"

[matt787]

Originally Posted by ljustin293

happy=sad=BS=madness=madder=beat down=scared=kick=ambulance=mod=no more thread..

I get it..

really I just think people need to get over themselves and stop taking offense to everything!

[matt787]

Originally Posted by FutureBumbleBee

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I'm all for this. I'm so glad they're fighting to get rid of this crap in our currency/pledge/schools/courts

Most "christians" I know are the most hateful, hypocritical and judgemental people I have encountered. There are a few good ones but most just like to feel superior to everyone else. Confess on Sunday then spend the rest of the week feeling entitled to do everything Jesus said not to... People like to have their thinking done for them and organized religion suits this goal perfectly. We've turned into a nation of sheep. You can be spiritual without giving up your right to think for yourself. And also religion allows people to make up artifice in their head about heaven because we're the only species that can contemplate and even plan our own death, so if we make up a bunch of happy horses**t about going to paradise after we die, it makes the fear of death bearable.

[matt787]

Originally Posted by irpq11

That being said. I will weigh in a little on this.

The very first meeting of our founding fathers was began by a Judeo-Christian prayer. Where the men who attended all bowed their heads and asked the Lord to guide them and give them the strength and wisdom to proceed with the founding of a nation. The nation that became the United States of America.

Congress, Senate, and yes even the President, all began their meetings with prayer. And as you heard, with the probable, eventual end to us as a nation in front of us before the battle of Normandy, the President led our nation in PRAYER. We ARE a Christian nation. We have been from the beggining. As the good representative in the vid asked;

"When did we cease being a Christian nation"?

Um.... the CONSTITUTION, anyone???

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by matt787

Um.... the CONSTITUTION, anyone???

I'll start by saying that while I am a deist, I am not a christian. I feel that no religious text is inherently better than any other religious text on the face of the earth because they were all written by humans. Thats not to say that they don't all contain some good advice on how to live.

That said, the "seperation of church and state" granted in the constitution that everybody refers to does not say anything prohibiting the government from showing anything religious. It merely states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Meaning they won't make a church of America, or ban the practice of hinduism in the US.

Printing the words "in god we trust" on a government building is not "making a law," nor is it "prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

As stated before, words printed on a building are unlikely to prevent anybody from becoming an atheist, or a muslim, or any other religion, just as they are unlikely to make somebody become a christian.

I understand the atheist point of view. A large portion of my family are atheists. A large portion of them are christians. But that doesn't mean that the government can't print in god we trust on its money and its buildings, or use "under god" in the pledge of allegiance.
- X

[PQ]

Originally Posted by matt787

Um.... the CONSTITUTION, anyone???

What Xanthos is refering to is the 'Establishment Clause' One of the things we wanted from getting out from under English thumb was the right to worship. It was meant to keep the state out of the church. NOT the church out of the state.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by matt787

Most "christians" I know are the most hateful, hypocritical and judgemental people I have encountered. There are a few good ones but most just like to feel superior to everyone else. Confess on Sunday then spend the rest of the week feeling entitled to do everything Jesus said not to... People like to have their thinking done for them and organized religion suits this goal perfectly. We've turned into a nation of sheep. You can be spiritual without giving up your right to think for yourself. And also religion allows people to make up artifice in their head about heaven because we're the only species that can contemplate and even plan our own death, so if we make up a bunch of happy horses**t about going to paradise after we die, it makes the fear of death bearable.

Learn a little about it first.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by irpq11

It was meant to keep the state out of the church. NOT the church out of the state.

An admirably succinct bullseye at what I was trying to get at.
- X

[matt787]

Originally Posted by irpq11

What Xanthos is refering to is the 'Establishment Clause' One of the things we wanted from getting out from under English thumb was the right to worship. It was meant to keep the state out of the church. NOT the church out of the state.

Of course you have a right to worship but this nation has become much more of a theocracy than it was probably intended. People tend to use religion, and christianity in particular, as a vehicle to justify and further their own misguided values- a lot of killing in God's name... What used to be considered religious fanatacism is now considered the norm- it's sensationalism and people gobble that crap up. You don't need a religion to do the right thing-- be kind, show to everyone, try to learn from one another and don't repeat history with thousands of young lives lost for nothing over religion-based wars.

[matt787]

Originally Posted by irpq11

What Xanthos is refering to is the 'Establishment Clause' One of the things we wanted from getting out from under English thumb was the right to worship. It was meant to keep the state out of the church. NOT the church out of the state.

Originally Posted by irpq11

Learn a little about it first.

I believe I have learned about it-- went to church my whole childhood, was confirmed and I also was very active in youth ministry where we did a lot of good for the poor and needy. All under the direction of the only TRUE christian I have ever met. A wonderful youth minister who taught what she preached. I've read the bible and the koran, and also Bertrand Russell. Mother liked going to church and father atheist. I was able to get a lot of life lessons from the church, but ultimately learned to use those lessons to develop as an adult while thinking and questioning as a non-believer.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by matt787

Of course you have a right to worship but this nation has become much more of a theocracy than it was probably intended. People tend to use religion, and christianity in particular, as a vehicle to justify and further their own misguided values- a lot of killing in God's name... What used to be considered religious fanatacism is now considered the norm- it's sensationalism and people gobble that crap up. You don't need a religion to do the right thing-- be kind, show to everyone, try to learn from one another and don't repeat history with thousands of young lives lost for nothing over religion-based wars.

This topic is sooooooo vastly complex it's hard to even discuss.

[prostock69]

I'm an Anti-theist. I can't stand religion of any kind. I wish it were eradicated off the face of this earth. It's a disease that takes advantage of the disenfranchised and in most cases, the most uneducated and superstitious. However, is this the place to be having this discussion? Is this not a Camaro-car Forum? If you want an in depth discussion on atheism and religion, may I suggest the following sites?:

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/
http://www.samharris.org/forum/
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/

I come here because I want to talk cars, not politics, religion, and all the other hot topic buttons.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by prostock69

I'm an Anti-theist. I can't stand religion of any kind. I wish it were eradicated off the face of this earth. It's a disease that takes advantage of the disenfranchised and in most cases, the most uneducated and superstitious. However, is this the place to be having this discussion? Is this not a Camaro-car Forum? If you want an in depth discussion on atheism and religion, may I suggest the following sites?:

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/
http://www.samharris.org/forum/
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/

I come here because I want to talk cars, not politics, religion, and all the other hot topic buttons.

VERY simple. Stay out of the off-topic area.

And nobody on ANY of these sites are going to change the mind of ANY other person on there. Just not gonna happen.