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Old 07-30-2013, 10:39 PM   #855
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I sometimes get you tube links from Critical Bench. Here is one I just got. It's funny as we were just discussing this.


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Old 07-30-2013, 10:45 PM   #856
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Do you know what the conjugate method is? I'm taking no...otherwise you would know you don't have to change programs. You can change exercises, bars, etc to change your workout to keep it from getting "stale". What level of fitness you are at determines how often you change...3-4 weeks for a beginner, to 1 week for an advanced athlete. And again, you missed the point again...an advanced system gives you better results, faster even for a teenage beginner....

Ah yes the old "legend"...lol. For sure there were. But as you would say "in general" athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster today.

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I'm not arguing that advanced techniques don't work or that they have no merit. I am saying you start with the basics, once you have some training and learn proper lifting techniques and form then go from there. Even in the links you posted they recommend having solid training under your belt before attempting them.

I have about a dozen programs I have read through and saved as at some point I plan to utilize them.(they are current lol) Any program is only good until you adapt to it then move on to something new, some programs you will use more frequently but best gains are made when various methods are used. In the event that I'm still capable of lifting when I complete my stockpile of programs perhaps I will thoroughly read the ones you reference and maybe try them as they look to be solid programs.

By the way, the early days produced some legends using what you consider "antiquated techniques"
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:55 PM   #857
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I sometimes get you tube links from Critical Bench. Here is one I just got. It's funny as we were just discussing this.


So tricep kickbacks with 15lbs won't build my arms lol..,
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:57 PM   #858
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Do you know what the conjugate method is? I'm taking no...otherwise you would know you don't have to change programs. You can change exercises, bars, etc to change your workout to keep it from getting "stale". What level of fitness you are at determines how often you change...3-4 weeks for a beginner, to 1 week for an advanced athlete. And again, you missed the point again...an advanced system gives you better results, faster even for a teenage beginner....

Ah yes the old "legend"...lol. For sure there were. But as you would say "in general" athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster today.

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Not necessarily, some of the basic lifts that everyone does such as deads, squats benches will still produce great results, even over new fangled programs.

It is evident because almost every program still relies on the basic whole body lifts, it will never change so no matter what new program you throw at me it will most likely still emphasize my antiquated lifts.

Changing various factors such as rep ranges, tempo, grip or stance do help keeping a program useful but variety is the spice of life.

Athlete's today are without a doubt bigger stronger and faster in general but they get there by incorporating the old school principals as well as new methods but the biggest emphasis is on old school lifting, nothing beats it
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went to the gym today too. though unlike you guys I like to work out everything. legs, arms and core.... then again I don't really want to build a large amount of muscle mass. oh and I have a question. I've asked around but I want to see what feed back I get from you guys. what exercise would help me burn the fat in the inner thigh? I can hit the upper muscle thigh and the muscle behind but the inner part... I just don't know what to do and its a problem area for me.
Your diet and do squats with your feet pointed slightly outward.
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So tricep kickbacks with 15lbs won't build my arms lol..,
He/I am not saying that. I do them, you do them, we all do them but what's so new about tricep kickbacks?
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:02 PM   #861
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Can you guys elaborate on what you REALLY mean?





LOL JK!

Focused triceps today and a lil cardio.

I found that working out (for moi)muscle groups together for a couple of weeks and then the third week focusing on individual muscles only on a day really helps. I seem to have a ton of energy and focus bc I KNOW I'm only workin that one muscle. Today was all Tris and clearly my best tri day in weeks.
Felt the same when I did bis/forearms and a few days ago back only instead of doing back with bis. I think I am going to stick with that for now and see what kind of progress I make. Two weeks of combined muscle groups which should get me three rotations working out those muscle groups and then one week or more Isolating certain muscles and working out harder.

Thoughts? Anyone doing anything similar?
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:03 PM   #862
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You have difficulty answering direct questions don't you.

The WB is centered around the squat, bench, and deadlift. Its not new fangled....its ever improving. You'd know this if you read the articles. And again, the strongest gym in the world bar none.

Conjugate method.

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Not necessarily, some of the basic lifts that everyone does such as deads, squats benches will still produce great results, even over new fangled programs.

It is evident because almost every program still relies on the basic whole body lifts, it will never change so no matter what new program you throw at me it will most likely still emphasize my antiquated lifts.

Changing various factors such as rep ranges, tempo, grip or stance do help keeping a program useful but variety is the spice of life.

Athlete's today are without a doubt bigger stronger and faster in general but they get there by incorporating the old school principals as well as new methods but the biggest emphasis is on old school lifting, nothing beats it
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:06 PM   #863
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He/I am not saying that. I do them, you do them, we all do them but what's so new about tricep kickbacks?
I was joking....no I don't do tricep kickbacks....
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went to the gym today too. though unlike you guys I like to work out everything. legs, arms and core.... then again I don't really want to build a large amount of muscle mass. oh and I have a question. I've asked around but I want to see what feed back I get from you guys. what exercise would help me burn the fat in the inner thigh? I can hit the upper muscle thigh and the muscle behind but the inner part... I just don't know what to do and its a problem area for me.

You cannot choose where you loose fat, for example, crunches don't burn belly fat it builds ab muscles.

I better clearify lol. crunches burn relatively few calories compared to say HIIT.

Certain exercises will target your inner thighs but do not target fat burning in that area.

The key to reducing fat is diet and exercise, by the way the more muscle you carry the more fat you burn as it requires the use of more calories to sustain muscle than fat.
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Guys, jacked my elbow up at work today. Next week was gonna be a deload week for me, so should I just treat the rest of this week as my deload week, and then get back on it this time next week? Thanks in advance.
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Yes. And I forgot to add in my earlier post run sprints.

See we don't always disagree

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You cannot choose where you loose fat, for example, crunches don't burn belly fat it builds ab muscles.

I better clearify lol. crunches burn relatively few calories compared to say HIIT.

Certain exercises will target your inner thighs but do not target fat burning in that area.

The key to reducing fat is diet and exercise, by the way the more muscle you carry the more fat you burn as it requires the use of more calories to sustain muscle than fat.
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You have difficulty answering direct questions don't you.

The WB is centered around the squat, bench, and deadlift. Its not new fangled....its ever improving. You'd know this if you read the articles. And again, the strongest gym in the world bar none.

Conjugate method.
How is the squat, bench and deadlift improving?

Conjugate method?

I'm not familiar with the term but I'm fairly confident it is based on something I've come across but perhaps known by a different name.
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Guys, jacked my elbow up at work today. Next week was gonna be a deload week for me, so should I just treat the rest of this week as my deload week, and then get back on it this time next week? Thanks in advance.
Why don't you deload for a week and then take a few days off?

I feel your pain. I'm battling a bad elbow problem for the first time in 25 years of training :( I won't be doing any isolated tricep movements for a while :(
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