2014 Chevrolet SS Priced at $44,470

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

They'll sell every single one because it's mostly a build-to-order car.

While GM won't have as much trouble moving Chevrolet-badged Commodores, I'm sure they're worried about a G8 situation again where inventory languished on BPG dealer lots for ages.

Which is why they are making it clear it is a low production vehicle. This is the same GM that brought us the CTS-V wagon and only expected to sell 3 of them

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

I actually like the car a lot. The question now becomes what is God's green earth make a loaded up auto camaro the same price basically? Ill take the LS3 and the refinement of the technology and nicer materials for about the same price.

Why shouldn't they be approximately the same price? There's not a big difference in price between the CTS sedan and CTS coupe. The Camaro would be the nearest thing to a 2-door SS sedan. Both loaded up I would expect the price to be similar.

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

I guess we could also say that at this price you are right up against a base Stingray.

A $6k difference between two very different cars. You're comparing a loaded, 5 passenger sedan with a base, 2-door sports car. Apples to oranges really.

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

They will struggle to sell anything that is going to touch 50K after tax, title, and GG Tax, without a customer being able to see it in person. After the few die hards who know about this car buy theirs, this will become an afterthought. Maybe if this is a one year run only they will sell all 10K units, but this car needs to bee seen to get the average customer to shop, buy it. Its not like it has drop dead sexy looks that will drive the masses to it like the Camaro did when it was released. Its not like it is at a great price point.

Many of us (myself included) ordered our Camaro's sight-unseen. IIRC there were some 20k pre-orders (someone correct me if I'm wrong). GM has dropped ~10k as all it expects to sell of the SS. It very well may be a one year run. They are not targeting "the average customer". They are not trying to carve out a market segment and compete with the Charger in volume.

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

This car competes with the Charger r/t in specs, and the Charger SRT8 in price. Good luck with that.

By the numbers it fits right between the two. I suspect it will beat the R/T in a straight line and certainly around a track.

Charger R/T Max: 370HP/395lb-ft, 4,250lb, $36,495
Chevrolet SS: 415HP/415lb-ft, 4,000lb, $44,000
Charger SRT8: 470HP/470lb-ft, 4,365lb, 46,250

I suspect the SRT8 will be faster in a straight line but closer than you might think around a track. For example the Charger 392 ran a best 3:10.1 around VIR while the Camaro SS ran a 3:09.5 Granted the SS sedan will be hauling an extra 150lbs but still, that should be close. Again, the SS is not intended to compete with the Charger in volume. It's a one-off. A last hurrah for Zeta.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Which is why they are making it clear it is a low production vehicle. This is the same GM that brought us the CTS-V wagon and only expected to sell 3 of them



Why shouldn't they be approximately the same price? There's not a big difference in price between the CTS sedan and CTS coupe. The Camaro would be the nearest thing to a 2-door SS sedan. Both loaded up I would expect the price to be similar.



A $6k difference between two very different cars. You're comparing a loaded, 5 passenger sedan with a base, 2-door sports car. Apples to oranges really.



Many of us (myself included) ordered our Camaro's sight-unseen. IIRC there were some 20k pre-orders (someone correct me if I'm wrong). GM has dropped ~10k as all it expects to sell of the SS. It very well may be a one year run. They are not targeting "the average customer". They are not trying to carve out a market segment and compete with the Charger in volume.



By the numbers it fits right between the two. I suspect it will beat the R/T in a straight line and certainly around a track.

Charger R/T Max: 370HP/395lb-ft, 4,250lb, $36,495
Chevrolet SS: 415HP/415lb-ft, 4,000lb, $44,000
Charger SRT8: 470HP/470lb-ft, 4,365lb, 46,250

I suspect the SRT8 will be faster in a straight line but closer than you might think around a track. For example the Charger 392 ran a best 3:10.1 around VIR while the Camaro SS ran a 3:09.5 Granted the SS sedan will be hauling an extra 150lbs but still, that should be close. Again, the SS is not intended to compete with the Charger in volume. It's a one-off. A last hurrah for Zeta.

I really don't see the SS keeping up with SRT8 around the track, here is why. MT tested the Charger Pursuit against the Caprice and there was a whopping 7 second difference with the SRT8 being 7 seconds quicker still. Second, the SS will not be as stiffly sprung as the Camaro and if i am not mistaken the Camaro SS has 4 wheel Brembos whereas the SS only has front qheel. Also the year the Charger SRT8 was tested, cars that had already been tested the previous year (ie BMW 335i) were running considerably slower times, hence the SRT8 had more in it.

Anyways, the Camaro sold sight unseen because of it's agressive design and the 10 price of what, 32k for a 1SS and around 35k for a 2SS it represented a major bargain the SS sedan does not. it also had a hell of a lot of exposure thans to ransformers. With the backward sales strategy going on here, i will be surprised if the manage to push more than 5000 a year.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by Stew

With the backward sales strategy going on here, i will be surprised if the manage to push more than 5000 a year.

Pontiac sold less than 2000 GXPs, and I think it was about 50/50 autos to manuals. Throw in the special order and no sales strategy thing, and I think selling 1000 SS's total is about all you can ask for.

[Sweet Zness]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Which is why they are making it clear it is a low production vehicle. This is the same GM that brought us the CTS-V wagon and only expected to sell 3 of them

Just remember all the positive press and praise the G8 got. How well did that go over?

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Why shouldn't they be approximately the same price? There's not a big difference in price between the CTS sedan and CTS coupe. The Camaro would be the nearest thing to a 2-door SS sedan. Both loaded up I would expect the price to be similar.

Because my Camaro doesn't have any of that nice interior. Soft touch plastics, Nav, all the blind zone alerts, etc etc.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

A $6k difference between two very different cars. You're comparing a loaded, 5 passenger sedan with a base, 2-door sports car. Apples to oranges really.

I realize apples to oranges, but still Im guessing its closer to a 5k actual difference for a Stingray. Im just saying man.

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Many of us (myself included) ordered our Camaro's sight-unseen. IIRC there were some 20k pre-orders (someone correct me if I'm wrong). GM has dropped ~10k as all it expects to sell of the SS. It very well may be a one year run. They are not targeting "the average customer". They are not trying to carve out a market segment and compete with the Charger in volume.

There is a history that was lost when the Camaro was gone. Its looks were considered out of this world (not what most people are saying about the SS) when shown to the world. Big difference man.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Stew

I really don't see the SS keeping up with SRT8 around the track, here is why. MT tested the Charger Pursuit against the Caprice and there was a whopping 7 second difference with the SRT8 being 7 seconds quicker still. Second, the SS will not be as stiffly sprung as the Camaro and if i am not mistaken the Camaro SS has 4 wheel Brembos whereas the SS only has front qheel. Also the year the Charger SRT8 was tested, cars that had already been tested the previous year (ie BMW 335i) were running considerably slower times, hence the SRT8 had more in it.

Anyways, the Camaro sold sight unseen because of it's agressive design and the 10 price of what, 32k for a 1SS and around 35k for a 2SS it represented a major bargain the SS sedan does not. it also had a hell of a lot of exposure thans to ransformers. With the backward sales strategy going on here, i will be surprised if the manage to push more than 5000 a year.

Do you have the link to the mt test? The only thing I can find doesn't show any road course. Thanks

[Stew]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Do you have the link to the mt test? The only thing I can find doesn't show any road course. Thanks

The Charger Pursuit vs Caprice was in Car and Driver's last Lightning lap, the SRT8 was the year before.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Stew

I really don't see the SS keeping up with SRT8 around the track, here is why. MT tested the Charger Pursuit against the Caprice and there was a whopping 7 second difference with the SRT8 being 7 seconds quicker still. Second, the SS will not be as stiffly sprung as the Camaro and if i am not mistaken the Camaro SS has 4 wheel Brembos whereas the SS only has front qheel. Also the year the Charger SRT8 was tested, cars that had already been tested the previous year (ie BMW 335i) were running considerably slower times, hence the SRT8 had more in it.

First of all it was 5.2 seconds not 7. The Charger Pursuit has 375HP and weighs 4,400lbs. The Caprice (LS2) has 355HP and weighs 4,200lbs. Add the other 60HP compliments of the LS3 and take away 200lbs. It may not be as fast as the SRT8 around a track but it will be considerably faster than the R/T. Thus the price point BETWEEN the two.

Originally Posted by SS 376

Pontiac sold less than 2000 GXPs, and I think it was about 50/50 autos to manuals. Throw in the special order and no sales strategy thing, and I think selling 1000 SS's total is about all you can ask for.

You also have to bear in mind that was 2008, 2009. GM was heading into bankruptcy and NOTHING was selling. Pontiac was on the chopping block. Very different environment today.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

First of all it was 5.2 seconds not 7. The Charger Pursuit has 375HP and weighs 4,400lbs. The Caprice (LS2) has 355HP and weighs 4,200lbs. Add the other 60HP compliments of the LS3 and take away 200lbs. It may not be as fast as the SRT8 around a track but it will be considerably faster than the R/T. Thus the price point BETWEEN the two.



You also have to bear in mind that was 2008, 2009. GM was heading into bankruptcy and NOTHING was selling. Pontiac was on the chopping block. Very different environment today.

I am sorry they are not going to be close, because of the reasons i outlined below. That R/T Pursuit is 33k, the SS is going to be OVER 45k once the GG tax is added. The SRT is around 46200 with the GG tax, sorry, but 1200 less expensive vs 12000 more expensive means it is SRT priced, not between. Then there is the red herring in the room, the SUperbee, which gives better than SRT performance for 43k with the GG tax. You get an R/T with the performance ROad and track package and Super track pack (better tires, gears, brakes, 2 mode sport setting) and the nav package which stickers at just over 35k, and it will be WAY closer to the SS in perfromance than you may think. You could also get the Daytona package with STP/Nav for 1000 less.

As for the G8, it was doomed because by the time it came out the Pontiac badge had been drug so far through the mud no one had any confidence left in the brand. It was too bad, i always said if it had been sold a Chevy it would have been a success. Now that is with a full lineup (V6, Gt and GXP equivalints) and a marketing sales strategy AND actually having the cars on the lot. The way the SS is being marketed and sold, it is basically doomed and i don't see how it could possibly come close to 10k units.

[Russo]

i don't think this car will be as raw to drive as a G8 GXP nor will it hold it's value like a G8 GXP... it may be more refined, but you're talking $6k more for what? chrome trim and wide fabric stitching? GM needs to go back to the drawing board and come up with a V8 RWD chassis that starts at $32k and maxes at $40k... oh and the GG tax needs to go away too, start making direct injection DOHC engines already...

[FenwickHockey65]

It's $6k more for a vastly better car. It's not like GM just redid the front clip of a G8 and called it a day.

[Russo]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

It's $6k more for a vastly better car. It's not like GM just redid the front clip of a G8 and called it a day.

No, its like GM charging $4000 more for a 2014 impala than a 2013 impala when it was new.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Russo

No, its like GM charging $4000 more for a 2014 impala than a 2013 impala when it was new.

Again, for a vastly better car.

And the 2014 Impala really isn't that much over a 2013. People just got spoiled by incentives on the W-body.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Stew

I am sorry they are not going to be close, because of the reasons i outlined below. That R/T Pursuit is 33k, the SS is going to be OVER 45k once the GG tax is added. The SRT is around 46200 with the GG tax, sorry, but 1200 less expensive vs 12000 more expensive means it is SRT priced, not between. Then there is the red herring in the room, the SUperbee, which gives better than SRT performance for 43k with the GG tax. You get an R/T with the performance ROad and track package and Super track pack (better tires, gears, brakes, 2 mode sport setting) and the nav package which stickers at just over 35k, and it will be WAY closer to the SS in perfromance than you may think. You could also get the Daytona package with STP/Nav for 1000 less.

Everything you've said proves my point. The SS IS priced between the R/T and the SRT. The SRT8 gets slapped with the GG tax too.

Charger R/T Max: 370HP/395lb-ft, 4,250lb, $36,495
Chevrolet SS: 415HP/415lb-ft, 4,000lb, $44,000
Charger SRT8: 470HP/470lb-ft, 4,365lb, $46,250

The Super Bee is a stripped-out car. Tacky cloth seats, no infotainment, no comparison to the SS. Not to mention the Charger's status as the ubiquitous fleet and rental car.



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As for performance the R/T couldn't beat the G8 GT and the 370 SRT8 couldn't beat the G8 GXP. Sure the extra displacement of the 392 will ameliorate that in a straight line but there is nothing about the Charger's track performance that tells me the SS won't be close. Rather than saying "they're not going to be close", why don't you provide some references to support your malformed conclusion? You keep bringing up a police fleet car as if it's relevant to the conversation.

Originally Posted by Stew

The way the SS is being marketed and sold, it is basically doomed and i don't see how it could possibly come close to 10k units.

And your marketing degree is from where? I thought so. Why don't you leave the marketing and sales to the experts.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Everything you've said proves my point. The SS IS priced between the R/T and the SRT. The SRT8 gets slapped with the GG tax too.

Charger R/T Max: 370HP/395lb-ft, 4,250lb, $36,495
Chevrolet SS: 415HP/415lb-ft, 4,000lb, $44,000
Charger SRT8: 470HP/470lb-ft, 4,365lb, $46,250

The Super Bee is a stripped-out car. Tacky cloth seats, no infotainment, no comparison to the SS. Not to mention the Charger's status as the ubiquitous fleet and rental car.



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As for performance the R/T couldn't beat the G8 GT and the 370 SRT8 couldn't beat the G8 GXP. Sure the extra displacement of the 392 will ameliorate that in a straight line but there is nothing about the Charger's track performance that tells me the SS won't be close. Rather than saying "they're not going to be close", why don't you provide some references to support your malformed conclusion? You keep bringing up a police fleet car as if it's relevant to the conversation.



And your marketing degree is from where? I thought so. Why don't you leave the marketing and sales to the experts.

Actually, last i checked, Chevy provided the ubiquitous fleet and rental car in the Impala.

ROFL, I have already answered most of your questions. Please do your research on the Charger R/T. ALL comparisons were against the 08 Cahrger R/T, the 09 got a rougly 20-30 HP jump over the 08 R/Ts that were tested against the G8 GT (fyi, edmunds for example tested a normal R/T without the trackpack and only 340 HP, the Road and Track had 350, for 09 the HP went to 368-372 respectively and dynos show the difference was actually much greater), R/Ts with this engine have gone as quick as low 13s and mid 13s are pretty normal for a RWD model. For 10 they even added the Super track Pack from the Challenger to the Charger R/T Road and Track. Any 11 plus Charger R/T would more than give a G8 GT a run in ANY performance category since the suspension was tweaked to the point it is decribed as BMW like (hmmmm, sound familiar G8 fans?). You are using a comparison of, again, the old model Charger against the G8, there is more than extra displacement and HP in the 11 plus models, do your research. On the cover the differences between the SS and GXP are FAR fewer than the 08 R/T vs even the 09 model and the differences are absolutely huge between and 09 SRT8 and a current one(ie the fulley electronic multimode suspension, better bushings, etc etc in the that were not there in 09)
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In any case, I am not arguing with you, but when the times and sales come through and i am correct, I will bring this thread back up to remind of our love .

PS I also updated your picture for a dash to dash comparison.