Hennessey Venom GT or Bugatti? For Fastest Production Title

[rez333]

267.6 MPH in just 1 mile:


Sure it's no production car, but given that Hennessey did basically the same thing with the Venom GT, then the above car could theoretically also become the undisputed world's fastest production car had the base Ford GT been still built. What's amazing is the car did it half the length of track than the Venom GT but it's rated at 2000HP.

[camarowa]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

Bugatti has the title. It went faster. Period, end of story. They Venom may be cool, but it's no Bugatti. The only car that I see beating the Bugatti is the Koenigsegg Agera R.

+1

[Apex Motorsports]

Does the Venom qualify as a "production car"? It is a Lotus that has been reworked by a performance company rather than a vehicle produced by an automotive manufacturer. That is not to take anything away from the car or Hennessey, it is amazing car, but in my opinion it is really a custom build or even a coach built car.

[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Does the Venom qualify as a "production car"? It is a Lotus that has been reworked by a performance company rather than a vehicle produced by an automotive manufacturer. That is not to take anything away from the car or Hennessey, it is amazing car, but in my opinion it is really a custom build or even a coach built car.

this is how i see it

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by menendez1293

this is how i see it

Blur said in a similar thread..

Originally Posted by The_Blur

It's no less a production car than any other shared platform car. In this case, the shared platform comes from outside Hennessey, but it is the same concept as taking a GTO (Zeta) and modifying it to be a Camaro (Zeta II).

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Blur said in a similar thread..

I disagree. Hennessey is not an automotive manufacturer. They do not build cars, they modify them. They did not take a car they designed and built and then used the chassis under another car they built so that argument doesn't hold water. They took a car someone else built and modified it. Like if I took your Camaro, swapped out the front and rear clips and threw a Ferrari V12 in it and called it the Apex Toxin. Even if I built a few dozen of them they still would not be a production car, they would be custom built cars.

Does anyone know how the Venom is registered? Do they use the Lotus VIN?

[trademaster]

I have great respect for the Venom as a vehicle, but John Hennessey lost my business and respect years ago and MPH isn't going to gain it back.

[sspolo]

I'd take the Bugatti's interior over the Hennessy Venom GT any time... PM me if you got a spare one.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Does anyone know how the Venom is registered? Do they use the Lotus VIN?

It's registered as a Lotus so I'm gonna assume they use a Lotus VIN for registration purposes.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by Deki

It's registered as a Lotus so I'm gonna assume they use a Lotus VIN for registration purposes.

True. i checked aswell. It's registered as a Lotus.

[driyac]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

I disagree. Hennessey is not an automotive manufacturer. They do not build cars, they modify them. They did not take a car they designed and built and then used the chassis under another car they built so that argument doesn't hold water. They took a car someone else built and modified it. Like if I took your Camaro, swapped out the front and rear clips and threw a Ferrari V12 in it and called it the Apex Toxin. Even if I built a few dozen of them they still would not be a production car, they would be custom built cars.

Does anyone know how the Venom is registered? Do they use the Lotus VIN?

So do you consider the Shelby Cobra to be an British AC?

I mean thats what it is right?

One of the most known and well made cars in America is just another car with an engine right?

Sorry but it does not hold water.

They have radically modified the entire lotus. Minus, the monocoque, front windshield. Quite literally everything on the car is different. They built the car from the ground up and not by taking a car and modifying it.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Deki

It's registered as a Lotus so I'm gonna assume they use a Lotus VIN for registration purposes.

Originally Posted by Renegade

True. i checked aswell. It's registered as a Lotus.

In that case I definitely don't see how you could make an argument that it is a production car.

Originally Posted by driyac

So do you consider the Shelby Cobra to be an British AC?

I mean thats what it is right?

One of the most known and well made cars in America is just another car with an engine right?

Legally, the original cars commonly referred to these days as "Shelby Cobra" were in fact the AC Cobra. They were hot rods. AC provided the cars already modified to accept the upgrades from Shelby; reworked front end, stronger rear diff, etc.. Shelby was not a registered vehicle manufacturer until 1992.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

In that case I definitely don't see how you could make an argument that it is a production car.



Legally, the original cars commonly referred to these days as "Shelby Cobra" were in fact the AC Cobra. They were hot rods. AC provided the cars already modified to accept the upgrades from Shelby; reworked front end, stronger rear diff, etc.. Shelby was not a registered vehicle manufacturer until 1992.

Bugatti Veyron reinstated by Guinness as “world’s fastest production car”



Bugatti has been in and out of the news recently, both for good and bad. Firstly, the brand was stripped of its title as the"world's fastest production car" after deactivating the restrictor that limits the car's top speed during its record run. Bugatti rebounded from that knock by announcing yesterday that its Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse secured the record as the "world's fastest convertible," managing a speed of 254 mph. Keeping with the good news, Guinness World Records announced today that it has in fact now reinstated the Veyron Super Sport as the "fastest production car in the world," returning the 1,200 hp hypercar to its rightful spot as number one.
Let's recap what happened here. This is Guinness's original statement declaring the stripping:

“It has come to the attention of Guinness World Records that there was an oversight in its adjudication of the ‘Fastest production car’ which was set in 2010 by the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport. As the car’s speed limiter was deactivated, this modification was against the official guidelines. Consequently, the vehicle’s record set at 431.072 km/h is no longer valid. As we are now reviewing this category with expert external consultants there is no current record holder.”

This latest announcement from Guinness, received today, backtracks somewhat from their original statement, claiming that the deactivation was not as problematic as they initially believed:

"Following a thorough review conducted with a number of external experts, Guinness World Records is pleased to announce the confirmation of Bugatti’s record of Fastest production car achieved by the Veyron 16.4 Super Sport. The focus of the review was with respect to what may constitute a modification to a car’s standard specification. Having evaluated all the necessary information, Guinness World Records is now satisfied that a change to the speed limiter does not alter the fundamental design of the car or its engine."

So there you have it, the Veyron stands as number one. Again. And if we're honest, a restrictor that limits the car by a mere 9.8 mph to protect crazy customers attempting to surpass 258 mph is not much of reason to lose it in the first place. Not having that restriction, allowing drivers to potentially surpass what is deemed a "safe" speed for tires to withstand, remains even crazier.
As we've heard a lot recently, Hennessey production claim its Venom GT remains "the fastest production car available to the public" at 265.7 mph. But who cares? In the eyes of Guinness, the 267.8 mph Veyron remains king.