Firearms Section

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by GaBoy25

Yes my guns will have the last words....or echo

Right now the fight is on paper... specifically letters to congress and the dude in the big white house.

I would rather it never makes it to the point of a physical fight..... but.... if it does..... Like Bull said,

MOLON LABE!

[Mr Twisty]

I'm thinking Ms. Feinstein's bill is a ploy..... Make it look like they're gonna bring the BIG hammer, then when they say they only want our hi-cap mags most folks will sigh in relief and give in.

So... if that's the case... I think they have already trampled our 2nd amendment rights far too much in the past.

To be a member of a well armed militia, I need the same firepower I would be going up against. So... I want a flame thrower, a grenade launcher, complete with grenades, an M16..... what else? hmmmm

OH YEAH!.... A rocket launcher!

[Mr Twisty]

From: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/fe...-ban-bill.aspx

Maybe she should be tried for treason against the American people if she tries to run this thru.....

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)—author of the federal “assault weapon” and “large” ammunition magazine ban of 1994-2004—has announced that on the first day of the new Congress—January 3rd— she will introduce a bill to which her 1994 ban will pale by comparison. On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, “I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation” and “It will be carefully focused.” Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.

According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein’s website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of “assault weapon” that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. Some of the changes in Feinstein’s new bill are as follows:

Reduces, from two to one, the number of permitted external features on various firearms. The 1994 ban permitted various firearms to be manufactured only if they were assembled with no more than one feature listed in the law. Feinstein’s new bill would prohibit the manufacture of the same firearms with even one of the features.

Adopts new lists of prohibited external features. For example, whereas the 1994 ban applied to a rifle or shotgun the “pistol grip” of which “protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,” the new bill would drastically expand the definition to include any “grip . . . or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.” Also, the new bill adds “forward grip” to the list of prohibiting features for rifles, defining it as “a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.” Read literally and in conjunction with the reduction from two features to one, the new language would apply to every detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle. At a minimum, it would, for example, ban all models of the AR-15, even those developed for compliance with California’s highly restrictive ban.

Carries hyperbole further than the 1994 ban. Feinstein’s 1994 ban listed “grenade launcher” as one of the prohibiting features for rifles. Her 2013 bill carries goes even further into the ridiculous, by also listing “rocket launcher.” Such devices are restricted under the National Firearms Act and, obviously, are not standard components of the firearms Feinstein wants to ban. Perhaps a subsequent Feinstein bill will add “nuclear bomb,” “particle beam weapon,” or something else equally far-fetched to the features list.
Expands the definition of “assault weapon” by including:

Three very popular rifles: The M1 Carbine (introduced in 1944 and for many years sold by the federal government to individuals involved in marksmanship competition), a model of the Ruger Mini-14, and most or all models of the SKS.

Any “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds,” except for tubular-magazine .22s.

Any “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches,” any “semiautomatic handgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds,” and any semi-automatic handgun that has a threaded barrel.

Requires owners of existing “assault weapons” to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE’s permission to transport the firearm across state lines.

Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture.

Targets handguns in defiance of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects the right to have handguns for self-defense, in large part on the basis of the fact handguns are the type of firearm “overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.” Semi-automatic pistols, which are the most popular handguns today, are designed to use detachable magazines, and the magazines “overwhelmingly chosen” by Americans for self-defense are those that hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, Feinstein’s list of nearly 1,000 firearms exempted by name (see next paragraph) contains not a single handgun. Sen. Feinstein advocated banning handguns before being elected to the Senate, though she carried a handgun for her own personal protection.

Contains a larger piece of window dressing than the 1994 ban. Whereas the 1994 ban included a list of approximately 600 rifles and shotguns exempted from the ban by name, the new bill’s list is increased to nearly 1,000 rifles and shotguns. Other than for the 11 detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and one other semi-automatic rifle included in the list, however, the list appears to be pointless, because a separate provision of the bill exempts “any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.”

The Department of Justice study. On her website, Feinstein claims that a study for the DOJ found that the 1994 ban resulted in a 6.7 percent decrease in murders. To the contrary, this is what the study said: “At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders. Our best estimate is that the ban contributed to a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders between 1994 and 1995. . . . However, with only one year of post-ban data, we cannot rule out the possibility that this decrease reflects chance year-to-year variation rather than a true effect of the ban. Nor can we rule out effects of other features of the 1994 Crime Act or a host of state and local initiatives that took place simultaneously.”

“Assault weapon” numbers and murder trends. From the imposition of Feinstein's “assault weapon” ban (Sept. 13, 1994) through the present, the number of “assault weapons” has risen dramatically. For example, the most common firearm that Feinstein considers an “assault weapon” is the AR-15 rifle, the manufacturing numbers of which can be gleaned from the BATFE’s firearm manufacturer reports, availablehere. From 1995 through 2011, the number of AR-15s—all models of which Feinstein’s new bill defines as “assault weapons”—rose by over 2.5 million. During the same period, the nation's murder rate fell 48 percent, to a 48-year low. According to the FBI, 8.5 times as many people are murdered with knives, blunt objects and bare hands, as with rifles of any type.


Traces: Feinstein makes several claims, premised on firearm traces, hoping to convince people that her 1994 ban reduced the (relatively infrequent) use of “assault weapons” in crime. However, traces do not indicate how often any type of gun is used in crime. As the Congressional Research Service and the BATFE have explained, not all firearms that are traced have been used in crime, and not all firearms used in crime are traced. Whether a trace occurs depends on whether a law enforcement agency requests that a trace be conducted. Given that existing “assault weapons” were exempted from the 1994 ban and new “assault weapons” continued to be made while the ban was in effect, any reduction in the percentage of traces accounted for by “assault weapons” during the ban, would be attributable to law enforcement agencies losing interest in tracing the firearms, or law enforcement agencies increasing their requests for traces on other types of firearms, as urged by the BATFE for more than a decade.


Call Your U.S. Senators and Representative: As noted, Feinstein intends to introduce her bill on January 3rd. President Obama has said that gun control will be a “central issue” of his final term in office, and he has vowed to move quickly on it.

Contact your members of Congress at 202-224-3121 to urge them to oppose Sen. Feinstein’s 2013 gun and magazine ban. Our elected representatives in Congress must hear from you if we are going to defeat this gun ban proposal. You can write your Representatives and Senators by using our Write Your Representatives tool here: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-l...your-reps.aspx


Millions of Americans own so-called “assault weapons” and tens of millions own “large” magazines, for self-defense, target shooting, and hunting. For more information about thehistory of the “assault weapon” issue, please visit www.GunBanFacts.com.

[GSUNCSU]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

From: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/fe...-ban-bill.aspx

Maybe she should be tried for treason against the American people if she tries to run this thru.....

And who will enforce this? That will be the trip wire. I wouldn't want to be the first LEO that had to go confiscate a weapon from a otherwise law abiding citizen.

[GSUNCSU]

My mind is made up now, I will not surrender or register anything...

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by GSUNCSU

And who will enforce this? That will be the trip wire. I wouldn't want to be the first LEO that had to go confiscate a weapon from a otherwise law abiding citizen.

I would like to think they would say, " Ms. Feinstein started this crap, make HER come and take them!"

[BullF-16]

Originally Posted by GSUNCSU

My mind is made up now, I will not surrender or register anything...

We can't do this as individuals. That will just make us Martyrs and the media will not cover it. Or they will make us out to be bat shit loons like Lanza and all the other freaks!

We have to start organizing ourselves now. No, not for war yet, but by letting them know we will not let our rights be trampled by the big city douchebags that seem to be dictating the direction this country is going.


Write and call daily. Keep it simple and to the point. The interns are the ones who either file it under Americans or traders! One sentence is all it takes to let them know. The politicians only care about what will get them re-elected! Wow, how damn sad. For all you youngsters out there....40 or less.....this is your damn future. Do something now. I am at the point where i really have nothing to lose except my freedom and liberty, and that will not happen. I swear to God!!!!!! MOLON LABE! know it, live it, love it! It starts here and now We the People!

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by BullF-16

We can't do this as individuals. That will just make us Martyrs and the media will not cover it. Or they will make us out to be bat shit loons like Lanza and all the other freaks!

We have to start organizing ourselves now. No, not for war yet, but by letting them know we will not let our rights be trampled by the big city douchebags that seem to be dictating the direction this country is going.


Write and call daily. Keep it simple and to the point. The interns are the ones who either file it under Americans or traders! One sentence is all it takes to let them know. The politicians only care about what will get them re-elected! Wow, how damn sad. For all you youngsters out there....40 or less.....this is your damn future. Do something now. I am at the point where i really have nothing to lose except my freedom and liberty, and that will not happen. I swear to God!!!!!! MOLON LABE! know it, live it, love it! It starts here and now We the People!

All we need is 300 men

[BullF-16]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

All we need is 300 men

THIS IS SPARTA!....bitch!

Thanks Twisty, i needed this bit of motivation.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

All we need is 300 men

[BullF-16]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

All we need is 300 men

You guys laugh.....its a start!

[rykeith]

Originally Posted by BullF-16

Amen brother....how many willing to give up their cushy lifestyle to really fight for their freedoms given us by the Bill of Rights?

That's the question!!!!!!!!!!!

Very true.

Originally Posted by only the beSSt

I don't think the resistamce would be against the goverment, so much as NATO forces. There was a picture floating around from a guy (in America) who was stopped at a railroad crossing and saw NATO marked tanks and apc's rolling by on the rail cars. The other problem is that the vast majority of the American military would immediately become part of the civilian resistance, because most are strong pro-gun-freedom.

I would hope so, but I also watched videos of soldiers (or police dressed as soldiers) confiscating law-abiding citizen's weapons. Very scary.

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

All we need is 300 men

[Mr Twisty]

The Murrah Federal Building had been considered so safe that it only employed one security guard.[211] In June 1995, the GSA issued Vulnerability Assessment of Federal Facilities, also known as The Marshals Report, the findings of which resulted in a thorough evaluation of security at all federal buildings and a system for classifying risks at over 1,300 federal facilities owned or leased by the federal government. Federal sites were divided into five security levels ranging from Level 1 (minimum security needs) to Level 5 (maximum).[212] The Alfred P. Murrah Building was deemed a Level 4 building.[213] Among the 52 security improvements were physical barriers, closed-circuit television monitoring, site planning and access, hardening of building exteriors to increase blast resistance, glazing systems to reduce flying glass shards and fatalities, and structural engineering design to prevent progressive collapse.

Federal buildings get all kinds of cool security...... what do our school children get? Answer me that, Ms. Feinstein.

[GaBoy25]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

Federal buildings get all kinds of cool security...... what do our school children get? Answer me that, Ms. Feinstein.

Look at the security banks use to protect our money....sick.