Firearms Section

[Maxspeed]

Originally Posted by nasty2ss

... saying if the principal was armed she could of stopped him is a stupid comment.

Look how well being unarmed worked out for her?

[Mr Twisty]

Hey, if he has a weapon and threatens, he's not getting anything but one in the head and two in the chest

.... and there lies the problem..... If laws are passed, it will disarm me, because I don't want a felony record. The robber on the other hand... he don't give a shit... he probably already has numerous felonies, and has been in and out of jail since he was a young kid.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Maxspeed

Look how well being unarmed worked out for her?

If she had a gun there is no gurantee that the outcome would have been any different. So many variables that it's impossible to predict what would have been the best way to prevent this or what those said outcomes would have been.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

If she had a gun there is no gurantee that the outcome would have been any different. So many variables that it's impossible to predict what would have been the best way to prevent this or what those said outcomes would have been.

True, but if the kid knew the principal and the teachers were possibly packing I bet he would have never chosen that school.

It's rumored the guy that shot up the theater in Colorado went to two other theaters, until he found one with a NO WEAPONS sign posted. Rumor, haven't verified it.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

.... and there lies the problem..... If laws are passed, it will disarm me, because I don't want a felony record. The robber on the other hand... he don't give a shit... he probably already has numerous felonies, and has been in and out of jail since he was a young kid.

And he will do whatever it takes to get a gun, cause breaking the law means nothing to him. Everyday good citizens won't be able to arm himself against a criminal.

Does something need to change? Yes.

Is banning a specific gun going to fix anything? NO!

Is teachers with guns the answer? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me...

Has a tragedy occurred? Yes!

Do we have an answer? Nope.

But IMO disarming the public is not even close to the answer.

Sorry about the random thoughts.

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Aren't automatic weapons already banned? Why don't people see the gun wasn't the problem here. It could of been a chainsaw, a knife, a anything. Shit, he could have driven that car through the building and killed 26 people.

You are very right. We(gun guys) appreciate you understanding our situation as we do yours.

I send my blessings to you and everyone affected in this horrible tragedy. We all wish this incident along with the other similar tragedies would never of happened.

Unfortunately, there are some very mentally disturbed individuals in this world. Even with out guns these mentally disturbed people would still find a way to accomplish their sick and demented attacks on innocent and defenseless people.

Originally Posted by kalimus

You don't have to "leave" our section. You just have to understand how many of us are responsible and wouldn't hurt a fly unless it was absolutely life or death necessary. My whole family is anti-gun, but I do everything I can to educate them to know that the weapon is not dangerous, when handled by someone responsible and with proper training, and when put away safely and securely.

All of us gun enthusiasts are filled with grief that something we enjoy as a hobby was used as a tool for something this awful.

Exactly! Very well put.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

True, but if the kid knew the principal and the teachers were possibly packing I bet he would have never chosen that school.

It's rumored the guy that shot up the theater in Colorado went to two other theaters, until he found one with a NO WEAPONS sign posted. Rumor, haven't verified it.

I'm not sure about the kid not choosing that school bc the principal was armed. If you're that tweaked are you really processing any info at all. If you shoot a 6 year old in the head at point blank I don't think you have the mental capacity to rationalize anything.

And if you are clever enough, come in the back and do your deed. That school is in the woods. He could have done way more damage bc know one would have know what was going on for quite some time.

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

And he will do whatever it takes to get a gun, cause breaking the law means nothing to him. Everyday good citizens won't be able to arm himself against a criminal.

Does something need to change? Yes.

Is banning a specific gun going to fix anything? NO!

Is teachers with guns the answer? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me...

Has a tragedy occurred? Yes!

Do we have an answer? Nope.

But IMO disarming the public is not even close to the answer.

Sorry about the random thoughts.

Not random at all. They are all very true and specific. We do need to find an answer but jumping to conclusions with out doing the research and proper studies to figure out what is most effective is pointless.

[Maxspeed]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

If she had a gun there is no gurantee that the outcome would have been any different. So many variables that it's impossible to predict what would have been the best way to prevent this or what those said outcomes would have been.

It was a terrible tragedy. But I think she would have had more success being armed than she did lunging unarmed at a crazed man with a firearm.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Maxspeed

It was a terrible tragedy. But I think she would have had more success being armed than she did lunging unarmed at a crazed man with a firearm.

You do make great sense but if he got off the first shot and got her then all we'd have is another subtopic in the "arming teachers" debate. But in your points defense she could have done the same.

[Maxspeed]

Thanks SS S. I am pro 2A.

[driyac]

Guys, think we could get back on topic so as to not get this thread shut down?

No offense to anyone, we all are truly hurt by what happened. I just don't want this thread shut down.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Maxspeed

Thanks SS S. I am pro 2A.

I wish I knew what a pro 2A was

Originally Posted by driyac

Guys, think we could get back on topic so as to not get this thread shut down?

No offense to anyone, we all are truly hurt by what happened. I just don't want this thread shut down.

I know there is a rule about no political stuff but I have to admit the discusion has been extremely civil with all you crazy gun freaks!!


Can someone please explain to me what the "lowers" are that everyone was having a hard time finding.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Aren't automatic weapons already banned? Why don't people see the gun wasn't the problem here. It could of been a chainsaw, a knife, a anything. Shit, he could have driven that car through the building and killed 26 people.

Automatic weapons are not banned in the USA. They are "NFA" or "National Firearms Act" weapons, commonly called class III. Not to be confused with "FFL 03" weapons.

Your local PD cannot issue a permit for them. They are regulated on the federal level, by national register and through the BATFE. They issue a tax stamp for the weapon. Local laws and ordinances still apply