Gas stations in so cal shutting down....

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by upflying

Ca leads the nation in regulations that eventually trickles down to the other states. Wisconsin will eventually be paying too.

Maybe, but when we hit $5 in Wisconsin, you'll be at $7 in California.

Originally Posted by AirManFL

And this is happening while the number 1 export for the U.S. is FUEL....

That is irrelevant. EPA and state regs wouldn't allow any of that exported fuel to be sold in California anyway. That's why it's being exported...its being sent somewhere where it is allowed to be sold.

[Russo]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

That is irrelevant. EPA and state regs wouldn't allow any of that exported fuel to be sold in California anyway. That's why it's being exported...its being sent somewhere where it is allowed to be sold.

no it's not.. refined fuel could be sold in every state.. it's the crazy politicians and the people who elect them that decide the regulations on whether the fuel is "good enough" to be sold in their state... this is why CA has 91 octane and every other state has 93 octane, or why some states have Flex Fuel that does damage to your engine and causes you to get less mpg, but they rather corn farmers make money at the taxpayer expense..

[GEEo]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyanSS

I paid $4.86 today ... filling up 6 times a month

Dammm bro! and I thot $4 a gallon wus bad!

[Scalded Dog]

I saw my "bargain" AM/PM mini-mart in Rancho Cucamonga gas go up $.42 in 24 hours.... Every few hours, somebody would go out and change the numbers on the sign. That $.42 leap followed three previous jaw- dropping days of $.05 to $.10 each 24 hours... which I thought was bad.

Indeed, the regulations, the taxes, the silliness of do- gooder politicians is what makes this product (sold in other parts of the world for the equivalent of $.19/ gallon) cost us dearly here in CA... and you'd better believe it, it'll happen elsewhere if y'all don't pay attention and keep regulations/ politicians/ silly "eco" measures (some are fine... MOST are NOT thought out) from being voted in.

[driyac]

Does anyone else get really mad at this????? I mean its not just about the money its the damn Principle behind it??????

these corporations are making hand and foot yet are still justifying this????? It makes no sense to me. how did they get podus in their back pocket jeesh.

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[Gunfighter13]

LOL.......I was mad today when I paid $3.85 for premium today….

[Russo]

Originally Posted by driyac

Does anyone else get really mad at this????? I mean its not just about the money its the damn Principle behind it??????

these corporations are making hand and foot yet are still justifying this????? It makes no sense to me. how did they get podus in their back pocket jeesh.

it's not oil companies, corporations, or the gas stations... it's two things:

1.Federal and state government: they make more money on a gallon of gas than the above companies make profit.
2.Federal Reserve: it inflates the currency so it takes more money to purchase the same goods and services.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Russo

it's not oil companies, corporations, or the gas stations... it's two things:

1.Federal and state government: they make more money on a gallon of gas than the above companies make profit.
2.Federal Reserve: it inflates the currency so it takes more money to purchase the same goods and services.

Yes, but those two things are simply the side effect of the leadership people have picked. It's time for a change.

[rykeith]

Originally Posted by Russo

it's not oil companies, corporations, or the gas stations... it's two things:

1.Federal and state government: they make more money on a gallon of gas than the above companies make profit.
2.Federal Reserve: it inflates the currency so it takes more money to purchase the same goods and services.

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Yes, but those two things are simply the side effect of the leadership people have picked. It's time for a change.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Russo

no it's not.. refined fuel could be sold in every state.. it's the crazy politicians and the people who elect them that decide the regulations on whether the fuel is "good enough" to be sold in their state... this is why CA has 91 octane and every other state has 93 octane, or why some states have Flex Fuel that does damage to your engine and causes you to get less mpg, but they rather corn farmers make money at the taxpayer expense..

Refined fuel is sold in every state, I'm not sure what you mean by that. EPA regulations directly related to octane are at the refineries, not at the pumps. Availability of higher/lower AKI(R+M/2) octane rated gasoline is based on regional demand for gasoline and the ability to fulfill demand with blending. Typically lower regional demand for gasoline means greater availability of higher octane ratings. However, altitude and in turn air density play a key role as well. Proportionate demand for each respective grade of gasoline is a big player too.

Refineries separate crude by density into blend stocks. Effective octane rating among these blend stocks varies. Remember, the octane rating simply tells you the resistance to uncontrolled detonation in relation to an iso-octane and iso-heptane blend of a given value. 93 octane gas is not really 93% octane, but holds the same combustion characteristics in regard to knock. Anyway, these blend stocks are mixed to the desired octane rating. If you trash everything but the good stuff, you can get a nice 95-97 or even 100+ octane gasoline, but this leaves less blend stock to mix with lower octane components to produce mid-grade or reduces the minimum octane rating of low-grade. This is why you see lower octane in almost all high-altitude regions because the effective octane demanded by a given engine is reduced thanks to lower oxygen density per unit air-volume. Supplying lower octane here allows the high-grade components to be blended into other supplies where premium demand is higher. High demand for premium gasoline, like in california, will actually over time result in refineries having to scale up the blending of premium into lower grades to produce mid-grade gasolines leaving less supply of the "good stuff" to maximize octane rating in premium.

Then you have intellectual property coming into play, to some extent regulations, and of course profitability. You would be surprised how little is a result of regulation compared to finance and money grubbing bastards. I trade crude for a living and spent time as a financial economist for Sunoco in the early 2000s.

[Russo]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Yes, those two things are the side effect of the leadership people have picked. It's time for a change.

fixed

[ss/rs-matt]

Leaving California won't do me any good. I make twice as much here as I would in say Texas. True gas might a buck cheaper a gallon but a loaf of bread still $1.99. The oil companies are raping us and if they keep it up they'll be out of business and we'll all be driving electric Camaro's. lol.

The reason we have crazy inflation from the federal reserve is because Nixon ended "the gold standard" in 1971. It has nothing to do with the current administration. They have to keep inflating it and giving out loans. If they don't the entire world economy would collapse. It's really pretty scary how close we are to using $100 dollar bills as wallpaper and kindling to start fires.