75,000 2010 Prius orders...my philosophical quandry

[nester7929]

I hope they sell a million of them. And I hope GM sells 2 million Volts. That way, demand for fuel will be lower and it'll be cheaper to drive my Camaro.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by 67 GTO

If these saftey issues concerned a GM product or for that matter any domestic vehicle it would have been reported in great detail. I wonder why the mainstream media hasn't picked up on these issues

Maybe because they are only anecdotal and there's no proof that they occurred. Maybe people really did step on the gas pedal (like Toyota said)? It actually happens a lot, you'd be surprised at how many store fronts are hit because someone stepped on the gas instead of the brakes and then claimed brake failure.

[TFord]

Originally Posted by InventoryGuy

Ignornace at it's finest, glad you are making my point. First off your logic is flawed in your whole argument. So you saying because it doesn't make a HUGE impact it should not be done? It is proven the Hybrid driving lowers you overall footprint. Do the research. It also lowers the country's depenancy of fossil fuels UNTIL a good alternative can be found. Every little bit helps on both fronts. By your logic I shouldn't be teaching my kids to recycle because they are contributing so little to the cause. Fact is, if we can help reduce fossil fuel dependancy AND lower emissions ( it has to lowers emission because the gas power plant only runs in certain instances) then it is a good thing. If you can purchase a car that can do that AND fit in your budget then why is that wrong? I know it is a driving preferance but some of you people are making it seem like they are just plain idiots.

Secondly, you obviously know nothing aout Hybrids since Prius has a regenarative braking system that charges your battery while decelerating and braking making it a stand alone unit with no recharging needed from the outside. So it doesn't add to polluting but pulling off the grid. And if you read the info about the charging system for the Volt and simialr technology it is equivilent to using a light bulb or something small like that. Very small amount being pulled off the grid and MUCH lower than running a motor would use, both in emissions AND using fossil fuels to make the power. And to add further fuel to the fire so to speak, I knwo many Prius owners (once again because I interact with so many) use a power company that uses none fossil fuel energy. I for one use Green Mountain Energy which is a similar company. So even if the technology comes to wher eyou are plugging in your Hybrid, don't you think if someone uses that tachnology they will also be using a power company for their home that doesn't use fossil fuels as well?

Wrong, but thanks for playing. If it dosen't make a huge impact it should'nt be done, isn't what Im saying. I really don't care what kind of car people are driving, what I care about is that people are informed before making decisions. Dosen't make a difference if they agree with me or not. And no hybrids arent making an impact on our carbon footprint (just your personal footprint). If you'd like I'll get you the "official" numbers from the epa. The more exact figures for "if there were no cars in amreica in 2007" our overall emissions would be reduced 22-28% depending on how you want to do the math. The figures for 2008-09 aren't available so any numbers you see for them are crap. Why would you even compare recycling to hybrids. There needs to be a bigger push for recycling rather than giving our car companies a hard time. Like I said its like a political ploy, all people see in terms of polution are cars. So to seem green they give our car companies hell (dispite the fact that GM has more cars over 30mpg than anyone). To me, the minimal gain isn't worth it. Hell diesel, is a better alternative. Im not knocking hybrids persay, what Im saying is that there needs to be more focus on the bigger picture. What we are doing right now is making things harder for our own car makers (granted an increase in fuel economy standards was overdue) and just fixing the cosmetic issues. I due agree something needs to be done about our dependancy on oil period. We should be drilling the massive amounts we have, and putting more funding into alternative energy sources...and there are some very promising ones out there.

And yes I may not be as hybrid savoy as you, but I work in the "Green" industry and I can tell you for a fact that the big push is to have plug in hybrids. Are hybrids somewhat benefitial, yes. Can you feel like you are doing your part to help the environment...sure. But all we are doing is pinching at the smaller part of a big issue. Thats what I want to bring attention to. Working in the green industry, I also know that if there were no oil tomorrow, the last thing most people are going to be worried about are their cars.

[AngryAmish]

No, not in the slightest. We seen the car plenty, and even had a HAND in some deciding factors, thanks to a very understanding GM. We watched this car grow for quite a few years from concept to pre-pro to pro before GM even accepted an order.

Speaking for myself, I haven't purchased one yet. I'll be buying at the end of the model year after I test drive. So no, I'm not hypocritical in the slightest. Anybody as far as I'm concerned who buys something they can't touch is an idiot.




[QUOTE=InventoryGuy;526507]You're right. These are mainly people who currently own Prius, and are basing their orders off of the track record of the current car they are driving every day and have utmost confidence in the manufacturer making them.

Are you trying to ridicule the Prius buyer based off of ordering a car before driving? How many of the Camaro pre-orders even saw the car before ordering. And you didn't have a proven history to base your purchase off of.

Bit hipocritical don't ya think.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

"The whole "carbon footprint" thing (CO2 as a pollutant) is PURE B.S. Co2 is to plants as oxygen is to animals. No CO2 No plants. No plants No animals (us)."

-is a silly argument.

Actually, it's quite an eloquent argument.

It actually is true and it upsets the applecart for the global warming conspiracy theorists.

I have an alternative proposal that would save BILLIONS of dollars. Instead of making people pay horrifying sums of money to pay for mandated quipment on their cars that seem to provide only a slight improvement in carbon emissions we could offer MY alternative.

Instead of adding all that crap to the cars we will just plant some trees... the same effect is achieved! Reduced CO2!!!! YAY!

Trees are basically FREE!

We can use the savings to Stimulate the economy!

It's SO obvious! Why isn't Gore all over this? We need a "Plant a Tree" DVD!

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Maybe because they are only anecdotal and there's no proof that they occurred. Maybe people really did step on the gas pedal (like Toyota said)? It actually happens a lot, you'd be surprised at how many store fronts are hit because someone stepped on the gas instead of the brakes and then claimed brake failure.

I don't know what kind of cars you drive, but the reports indicate that in these cases of sudden acceleration that the brakes showed signs of extreme use after the incident (red hot, smoking brakes, glazed brakes, work out brakes, etc.) usually when people accidenatally step on the accelerator the brakes don't also magically aplly themselves at the same time!

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Actually, it's quite an eloquent argument.

It actually is true and it upsets the applecart for the global warming conspiracy theorists.

I have an alternative proposal that would save BILLIONS of dollars. Instead of making people pay horrifying sums of money to pay for mandated quipment on their cars that seem to provide only a slight improvement in carbon emissions we could offer MY alternative.

Instead of adding all that crap to the cars we will just plant some trees... the same effect is achieved! Reduced CO2!!!! YAY!

Trees are basically FREE!

We can use the savings to Stimulate the economy!

It's SO obvious! Why isn't Gore all over this? We need a "Plant a Tree" DVD!

We just need this song played over and over at our elementary schools.. Wait a minute, I think it already is.





Plant a tree....For your tomorrow..plant a tree to save the Earth...Plant a tree...A tree for everyone...

Plant a tree for your tomorrow.
It's your tree that clears the air.
Plant a tree, trees for America.
Plant a tree today for all the world to share.
Taste the breeze, it's life inside you.
Make a promise to the Earth.
Plant a tree.
Now is the time to recognize
a tree for all that it is worth
Plant a tree your tomorrow.
Plant a tree that clears the air.
Plant a tree, trees for America.
Plant a tree today for all the world to share.

[Rallysport]

Originally Posted by LadyinBlue

Right you are, patriotpa.

Global warming is a junk science scam meant to scare people into making foolish, expensive decisions that actually benefit only those who keep perpetuating the falsehoods.

Have a good laugh at the green global warming/smog rating sticker that will come with your new Camaro. Then put it in an envelope, mail it to Al Gore and tell him where he can stick it.

I did. It was fun.

Ya know what else this global warming garbage is about? CAP and TRADE. Another way to tax you into doing what the "gubment" wants you to. Oh, yes, it will raise costs to provide your home energy as well.....I thought Obama wasn't raising taxes on 95% of the public? Hmmmm. Another lying politician...and now he is in charge of the American auto industry. Keep drinkin the Kool Aid, Obama voters! Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. I choose not to participate...and I believe that since this planet has been around for BILLIONS of years, I highly doubt that driving hybrids is effecting the climate one way or another...it's all a SCAM. Has anyone ever figured out why the 1930's in the USA were so freakin hot and dusty?..the "Dust Bowl"...was that a result of any freakin "carbon footprint"? What a farce this global warming crap is. If Pelosi wants all of us to take an "inventory" of our personal "carbon footprint", that bitch can start with her own Boeing jet. What a load of crap.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Actually, it's quite an eloquent argument.

It actually is true and it upsets the applecart for the global warming conspiracy theorists.

I have an alternative proposal that would save BILLIONS of dollars. Instead of making people pay horrifying sums of money to pay for mandated quipment on their cars that seem to provide only a slight improvement in carbon emissions we could offer MY alternative.

Instead of adding all that crap to the cars we will just plant some trees... the same effect is achieved! Reduced CO2!!!! YAY!

Trees are basically FREE!

We can use the savings to Stimulate the economy!

It's SO obvious! Why isn't Gore all over this? We need a "Plant a Tree" DVD!

It's not an eloquent at all, it's simplistic. People need to defecate or they'll die from blood poisoning; 3 days of Diarrhea will kill you <--eloquence!

However on the other side, the planting trees has merit. Someone tried to follow through on this basic concept in an easier fashion (brief story of the plan here) http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...84.html?page=3

The scientist had the ship filled with iron dust en route to the area where he planned to dump the iron which would pull carbon from the air when he was stopped by (drumroll...) environmental groups.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

It's not an eloquent at all, it's simplistic.

What's wrong with simple?

Ever heard of the K.I.S.S. Rule?

Ever heard of Occam's Razor?

The above apply!

[Vash]

OMG I hate to repost my prius story for the umpteenth time.

I was at stop light in my vette and this brand new Black Prius pulls up behind me and I guess the engine turns off right? So she gives me this eat excrement look and I started laughing because the night before the southpark Prius episode was on and Rush limbaugh was on live and talking about tiny cars and the Prius.

Her car was shaking from my exhaust and I started laughing so hard I cried. Tru Story.

[InventoryGuy]

Originally Posted by Rallysport

Ya know what else this global warming garbage is about? CAP and TRADE. Another way to tax you into doing what the "gubment" wants you to. Oh, yes, it will raise costs to provide your home energy as well.....I thought Obama wasn't raising taxes on 95% of the public? Hmmmm. Another lying politician...and now he is in charge of the American auto industry. Keep drinkin the Kool Aid, Obama voters! Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. I choose not to participate...and I believe that since this planet has been around for BILLIONS of years, I highly doubt that driving hybrids is effecting the climate one way or another...it's all a SCAM. Has anyone ever figured out why the 1930's in the USA were so freakin hot and dusty?..the "Dust Bowl"...was that a result of any freakin "carbon footprint"? What a farce this global warming crap is. If Pelosi wants all of us to take an "inventory" of our personal "carbon footprint", that bitch can start with her own Boeing jet. What a load of crap.

Do your research before you start posting mindless dribble. First start by READING what caused teh Dust Bowl.

PLanet has been around for a while for sure. But look at the amount of polutants we have pumped into it in just the last 50 years compared to the amount of time. EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS PEOPLE. Is something like Hybrid technology the magic bullet. Of course not, but it is forward progress.

I could care less about your political agenda. Spout all your conspiracy theories, makes not difference to the fact that humans are causing MASSIVE amount of damage to this planet. I truly don't think we can judge just how bad but it seems to make pretty simple sense that the more we reduce the pollution the better off we will all be.

I am no tree hugger but I do want my kids and their kids to enjoy the plant as much as possible. And if a nation full of hybrid vehicles that are running on less fossil fuels and therefore causing less pollution then I am fine with it.

THen there is the whole concept of breaking the US dependancy of foriegn oil, which will be good for the plant and also great for our economy.

We all get it, you are bucking the system and won't give in to the "man".

[drivingincamaro]

Don't cows release More Gasses then cars?


Its either the cows Or Us- I'm hungry Lets Eat

[John Farnen]

Funny, the tree huggers are complaining about Charmin and other "premium" brands of TP, they cause more pollution than all the Suvs in the world. What else are they going to complain about. I live in Ohio, 10,000 years ago it was under ice, what melted it 10k years ago? Doubt there were many people driving gas guzzlers back then. I planted over 100 trees sinse I moved in to my house, that will more than take care of the difference between a prius and a Camaro!