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Xedes · 07-11-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kalimus

The most common defense of the pot smoker is exactly this. Like I said, I know some successful people too. But MOST of them are low ambition deadbeats with no goals, other than to smoke pot. Pot smokers never seem to think other pot smokers are anything other than good, normal people.

I once heard of a guy who ate another dude's face that smoked pot... never heard that about a drunk...

That was Bath Salts, a synthetic drug like Xanax. The only people I've seen pot smokers kill was Ben & Jerry's.

wocampb · 07-11-2012, 08:47 AM

Was this one of the guys?

CamaroSkooter · 07-11-2012, 09:19 AM

You show me someone who gets high on a daily basis and I'll show you that they're operating on less brain cells than the normal non-toker.

I've never smoked pot in my life, and have no desire to. I've witnessed it being used several times, and you can't honestly sit there and tell me that someone who tokes does not become impaired after use. There's no stereotype here. Every single person I've watched that either took a bong-hit or smoked a joint became less than capable of doing anything that required coordination. It doesn't take two or three hits. After that first hit, they're showing signs of being affected.

And yes, the same holds true for people who get blacked-out drunk as well. But I can drink one beer, even on an empty stomache, and still operate like a normal, functioning human being.

The problem is, you're trying to compare two "drugs" that operate in completely different ways to affect a person. Alcohol has to be absorbed into the blood stream through the digestive system to begin having any effect. And this effect is severely diminished by the natural processes of your body's ability to absorb, breakdown and dillute alcohol in your liver.

THC (the part of weed that actually affects you) is inhaled directly into your lungs with a direct path to your bloodstream. There's no filter between you consuming the pot and it getting into your bloodstream. So the effect has very little delay, with very little dillution.

Interestingly enough, when THC is metabolised in the liver, the resulting metabolite is still a psychoactive drug that can remain in the bloodstream.

Ethanol (the type of alcohol found in beverages) however is a naturally occuring chemical in the human body. Our digestive system produces roughly 3 grams of ethanol every day from merely fermenting its contents. So, our digestive system is naturally adapted to break ethanol down. Obviously, if you're consuming a crapload of beer, you're going to overload the system, but the ethanol in that beer isn't something the human body has a difficult time processing.

CamaroSkooter · 07-11-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Xedes

That was Bath Salts, a synthetic drug like Xanax. The only people I've seen pot smokers kill was Ben & Jerry's.

Um, false.

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While the name implies a harmless little luxury, bath salts are being used for something completely different than soaking a bath.

“Bath salts” have become the latest illegal drug to capture the nation’s attention after a chilling episode in Miami, in which the drug was rumored to have caused 31-year-old Rudy Eugene to eat the face of Ronald Poppo, 65.

A medical examiner ruled Wednesday that Eugene, who died in the incident, was only high on marijuana -- not bath salts -- but there there have been numerous accounts of other people fatally overdosing on bath salts.

kalimus · 07-11-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Um, false.

This. I sometimes read the news and make sure I know what I'm talking about before I say something

Xedes · 07-11-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Um, false.

Didn't know this information but you aren't honestly blaming the pot, are you? The guy had lost his house in a foreclosure and was going through a divorce. Neighbors reported that he was acting strange. He obviously had some sort of breakdown.

Since I'm responding from my iPhone I can't respond in depth like I would from my desktop. I will agree that pot does effect you differently than alcohol. It does effect you faster as well and like most things of this nature (alcohol included), if you abuse it, it will cause long term effects. My point is that it's not anything worse than alcohol or legal Rx drugs. Legalize it, tax it and benefit from the revenue.

Xedes · 07-11-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kalimus

This. I sometimes read the news and make sure I know what I'm talking about before I say something

Whatever! I read the initial reports and that's what was reported. Excuse me for not following up with it day by day, I have a life.

Xedes · 07-11-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Xedes

Whatever! I read the initial reports and that's what was reported. Excuse me for not following up with it day by day, I have a life.

*sidenote...why is it that every forum has some anonymous wise ass that doesnt have the nads to put his location in his profile.

Steve Dallas · 07-11-2012, 10:15 AM

From what I read about the Face eating guy...they didn't say he was high on marijuana...just that there were traces of it in his bloodstream. Meaning he could have used it a day or two before. He may not have even been on anything from what I understand.

Hammer St. James · 07-11-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kalimus

The most common defense of the pot smoker is exactly this. Like I said, I know some successful people too. But MOST of them are low ambition deadbeats with no goals, other than to smoke pot. Pot smokers never seem to think other pot smokers are anything other than good, normal people.

I once heard of a guy who ate another dude's face that smoked pot... never heard that about a drunk...

Is there a complete toxicology report on the zombie? When I heard this story I first assumed that the dude most likely smoked "wet"; which is pot laced with embalming fluid. That, or PCP. Totally lose your wig!

Hammer St. James · 07-11-2012, 10:57 AM

Okay. Just for shits & giggles I will hold a contest. The winner will receive a new bottle of NXT wax. Provide a coroners report that states the cause of death was THC overdose.

Tobacco kills. Alcohol kills. Both taxed and legal.

AdamZ · 07-11-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammer St. James

Is there a complete toxicology report on the zombie? When I heard this story I first assumed that the dude most likely smoked "wet"; which is pot laced with embalming fluid. That, or PCP. Totally lose your wig!

There was something crazy in his system I forget what they said though. A lot of it too.

Xedes · 07-11-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamZ

There was something crazy in his system I forget what they said though. A lot of it too.

Genes?

Rangore · 07-11-2012, 11:40 AM

Wasn't the cause of death on the zombie gun shot wounds?

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CamaroSkooter Retarded One-Legged Owl Drives: 2010 Black Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 9,745	You show me someone who gets high on a daily basis and I'll show you that they're operating on less brain cells than the normal non-toker. I've never smoked pot in my life, and have no desire to. I've witnessed it being used several times, and you can't honestly sit there and tell me that someone who tokes does not become impaired after use. There's no stereotype here. Every single person I've watched that either took a bong-hit or smoked a joint became less than capable of doing anything that required coordination. It doesn't take two or three hits. After that first hit, they're showing signs of being affected. And yes, the same holds true for people who get blacked-out drunk as well. But I can drink one beer, even on an empty stomache, and still operate like a normal, functioning human being. The problem is, you're trying to compare two "drugs" that operate in completely different ways to affect a person. Alcohol has to be absorbed into the blood stream through the digestive system to begin having any effect. And this effect is severely diminished by the natural processes of your body's ability to absorb, breakdown and dillute alcohol in your liver. THC (the part of weed that actually affects you) is inhaled directly into your lungs with a direct path to your bloodstream. There's no filter between you consuming the pot and it getting into your bloodstream. So the effect has very little delay, with very little dillution. Interestingly enough, when THC is metabolised in the liver, the resulting metabolite is still a psychoactive drug that can remain in the bloodstream. Ethanol (the type of alcohol found in beverages) however is a naturally occuring chemical in the human body. Our digestive system produces roughly 3 grams of ethanol every day from merely fermenting its contents. So, our digestive system is naturally adapted to break ethanol down. Obviously, if you're consuming a crapload of beer, you're going to overload the system, but the ethanol in that beer isn't something the human body has a difficult time processing. __________________ My VIN = 2G1FK1EJ9A9105017 Build Date: 04-23-2009 according to: http://www.compnine.com/vid.php

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