I wonder why the GT500 is so over priced!

[Lonny Doyle]

To compare apples to apples and get both cars to equal dollars lets take the $8085 that the as tested GT500 cost over the as tested ZL1 and put it toward an engine performance upgrade.

This would easily get the ZL1 to low 11s.

So now we would have two muscle cars that are the same price and can be compared more easily.

At $63,080 the Zl1 would have the same ET as the GT500 but would be more consistent because of the GT500 shifting issue.

On a road course the ZL1 would dominate.

It is cheaper to make a car have more HP than it is to make it handle better. I think this is why Ford chose to take this route.

Ford is going to have to step up with handling. To make a statement and slap GM in the face they have carelessly over powered their mustang without balancing it with better handling.

An inexperienced driver is going to get into the throttle through a turn and end up pointing their nose into oncoming traffic.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by Lonny Doyle

To compare apples to apples and get both cars to equal dollars lets take the $8085 that the as tested GT500 cost over the as tested ZL1 and put it toward an engine performance upgrade.

This would easily get the ZL1 to low 11s.

So now we would have two muscle cars that are the same price and can be compared more easily.

At $63,080 the Zl1 would have the same ET as the GT500 but would be more consistent because of the GT500 shifting issue.

On a road course the ZL1 would dominate.

It is cheaper to make a car have more HP than it is to make it handle better. I think this is why Ford chose to take this route.

Ford is going to have to step up with handling. To make a statement and slap GM in the face they have carelessly over powered their mustang without balancing it with better handling.

An inexperienced driver is going to get into the throttle through a turn and end up pointing their nose into oncoming traffic.

Well said. Thank you.

[GrabberB5.Slow]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Just for poops and teehees, I'd like to see a base stock GT500 against a Zl1. See how close it is to it's PP numbers.
OP is right though, it's just this year that Mustang fans started caring about straight line numbers.

03/04 Mach 1 and Cobra... Definitely road course cars
07-12 Gt500 Pssh, drag strips suck, road course them ladies
11-12 5.0 hell yea it's a new 5.0... Thing road courses like mad!

What I'm getting at is while the fact that the newer GT500s, and Brembo equipped 5.0 GT can do a very good job of self representation at their price points, other than Boss models and the '00 Cobra, Mustang guys are speed oriented for the most part.

So if you can't accept that, and have to make comments like, "Now that they have all this power all they care about is straight lines." you need to be MORE than willing to see the counterpoint: "Now that the top of the line Camaro is generally trumped in speed, all these Camaro guys care about is handling."

What? Are you kidding me? More % of Mustangs owners have ALWAYS dragged their car or cared about straightline performance. I never even cared about what my 5.0 would do on a roadcourse when I bought it, all I cared was that it will run mid 12s stock if you drive it right. 85 - 90% of 03/04 Cobra, 07-12 GT500, 11-13 5.0 owners who race, will Drag or Roll race.

[cbass]

To compare apples to apples and get both cars to equal dollars lets take the $8085 that the as tested GT500 cost over the as tested ZL1 and put it toward an engine performance upgrade.

This would easily get the ZL1 to low 11s.

So now we would have two muscle cars that are the same price and can be compared more easily.

At $63,080 the Zl1 would have the same ET as the GT500 but would be more consistent because of the GT500 shifting issue.

On a road course the ZL1 would dominate.

It is cheaper to make a car have more HP than it is to make it handle better. I think this is why Ford chose to take this route.

Ford is going to have to step up with handling. To make a statement and slap GM in the face they have carelessly over powered their mustang without balancing it with better handling.
An inexperienced driver is going to get into the throttle through a turn and end up pointing their nose into oncoming traffic.

Absolutely, this makes perfect sense. That is why I bought a civic.

[peteypab2133]

Another thread of dumb.

Here is my personal opinion even though no one cares lol.

These cars have limits. Limits most of us drivers wont touch.

1/4 mile. most drivers wont go there, and the ones that do are either seasoned racers or amateurs. So you are going to see great times or crap times.

The road course? who does that anyways. I want to start a thread for people who actually go there, and I want GOPRO videos and Pictures. I can only imagine with 2000 + ZL1's there might be 40 or 50 that EVER hit the road course, but all 2000 will explain how the car is the fastest around the course and thats why they bought it.

Auto X seems fun, but I hate blowing through tires in a couple hours, and these 19's and 20's are not cheap. But if you change em out, then the car is not stock so the times are irrelevant.


Heres what you need to do. Read reviews, go to a dealer that has one, test drive something and buy it. Park it in your garage like everyone else and wash it wax it for the car shows at Kmart on sundays.

I know whatever I get, thats basically what I will be doing. I am just not afraid to admit it.

[A-little-perspective]

Originally Posted by Lonny Doyle

To compare apples to apples and get both cars to equal dollars lets take the $8085 that the as tested GT500 cost over the as tested ZL1 and put it toward an engine performance upgrade.

This would easily get the ZL1 to low 11s.

So now we would have two muscle cars that are the same price and can be compared more easily.

At $63,080 the Zl1 would have the same ET as the GT500 but would be more consistent because of the GT500 shifting issue.

On a road course the ZL1 would dominate.

It is cheaper to make a car have more HP than it is to make it handle better. I think this is why Ford chose to take this route.

Ford is going to have to step up with handling. To make a statement and slap GM in the face they have carelessly over powered their mustang without balancing it with better handling.

An inexperienced driver is going to get into the throttle through a turn and end up pointing their nose into oncoming traffic.

What about all the intagible costs of ownership? You are not accounting for those.

You can spin any car out by giving it too much throttle whether it's a Smart Car, a Bugatti or even a ZL1. Ford and Mustang have nothing to do with that physics equation. Is it so hard to be objective?

Besides, when did you drive the new GT500 to come to this conclusion?

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by Lonny Doyle

To compare apples to apples and get both cars to equal dollars lets take the $8085 that the as tested GT500 cost over the as tested ZL1 and put it toward an engine performance upgrade.

This would easily get the ZL1 to low 11s.

So now we would have two muscle cars that are the same price and can be compared more easily.

At $63,080 the Zl1 would have the same ET as the GT500 but would be more consistent because of the GT500 shifting issue.

On a road course the ZL1 would dominate.

It is cheaper to make a car have more HP than it is to make it handle better. I think this is why Ford chose to take this route.

Ford is going to have to step up with handling. To make a statement and slap GM in the face they have carelessly over powered their mustang without balancing it with better handling.

An inexperienced driver is going to get into the throttle through a turn and end up pointing their nose into oncoming traffic.

Wow. And I'm pretty sure you're serious.

[72MachOne99GT]

Your 35 post count is evident.

You're either ignorant, or 17.

You mention the 8,000 dollar difference in cars.

Why don't we take a base GT500 coupe and use the 1300 (or 2600 GG + auto cost) to buy a set of tires.

Then compare?

You see, adding modifications in comparisons is stupid when you're originally comparing stock vehicles.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by GrabberB5.Slow

What? Are you kidding me? More % of Mustangs owners have ALWAYS dragged their car or cared about straightline performance. I never even cared about what my 5.0 would do on a roadcourse when I bought it, all I cared was that it will run mid 12s stock if you drive it right. 85 - 90% of 03/04 Cobra, 07-12 GT500, 11-13 5.0 owners who race, will Drag or Roll race.

How the HELL did you miss the sarcasm there? Lol

[GrabberB5.Slow]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

How the HELL did you miss the sarcasm there? Lol

Alright lol, Maybe its the 2 hour sleep in 72 hours. I'm a dumbass haha. My appologies.

After reading that I was like, where does the guy live? Lithuania?

[SSE 4 2SS]

This one went downhill quickly..

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