Don't know if I can buy a government car? - Page 9

dkb · 05-04-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

I still think the Camaro will be sold in 5+ years. I'm fairly confident that the administration is smart enough to know that canceling a project without recovering the sunk costs of development wouldn't be a smart idea, no matter how much the greenies might hate it. However, I'd place a strong bet on the Camaro being the last exciting vehicle to come out of GM for a long, long time.

i think it would be a bad bet to attribute much intelligent decision-making to the gov bureaucrats making these decisions nor on their concern for making money ....

Kyle2k · 05-04-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dkb

what's PARTICULARLY ignorant about this cartoon is that virtually all the American soldiers who were in Somalia fighting to get food and water to the starving throngs ... hate taxes ... hate regulation ... hate government and love guns.

... but so it goes ...

its no use pointing out that the somali warlords were and are all leftist thugs ...

Do all left wing people have an inherent character flaw then? Am I some how evil because I don't agree with you (mind you I like guns, fast cars, etc)? Everyone knows that there are thugs on both sides, so lets quit trying to be exclusive- because you know that that is ignorant as well. If all goes well in the next few years, will you still try to find a way to rationalize, or will you man up that you were wrong about this issue? I'm currently not worried, but if it does go sour- I will admit it as well. As for now, it's the same aimless speculation that everyone hates and only raises peoples blood pressures - and is a good way at steering people away from a company that needs the money to avoid the future that you (and I-surprise surprise) oppose.

theholycow · 05-04-2009, 11:24 AM

Egads, this is the kind of stuff this thread wasn't supposed to degenerate into.

Look, it's this simple:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Power is evil.
Knowledge is power.
Therefore, dumbasses are the only good people.

*radz28* · 05-04-2009, 11:28 AM

Let's leave left, right, socialist, etc. comments out of this. It won't do any good and will only further a hot topic. No more warnings. Let's keep this thread healthy and not force it to be closed, please.

*radz28* · 05-04-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by theholycow

Egads, this is the kind of stuff this thread wasn't supposed to degenerate into.

Look, it's this simple:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Power is evil.
Knowledge is power.
Therefore, dumbasses are the only good people.

That's more like it

*Mr. Wyndham* · 05-04-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Uh, Dragon, that article pretty much put it clear as day that GM would essentially be controlled by the President. There hasn't been such a direct media statement of that fact since The Economist called GM Government Motors in the first place. That article in no way supports your argument that GM isn't nationalized an a waiting tool for the left-wing, environmental-wacko agenda.

Sure it does. You have to read it as a whole, though...

I'm sorry, but I can't argue this point any longer...because it's a lost cause. The gov't hasn't even agreed to take the stock option, yet -- but we have more than a couple folks screaming bloody murder. There is no proof to substantiate the MYTH that the government is taking over GM. In fact, there's multiple entities trying to set the record straight by issuing statements to the contrary. Unfortunately, not everyone listens. And so we're back to the beginning of this paragraph -- I can't debate against people who WANT to believe in the apocaliptic prophecies being tossed about.

dkb · 05-04-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Sure it does. You have to read it as a whole, though...

I'm sorry, but I can't argue this point any longer...because it's a lost cause. The gov't hasn't even agreed to take the stock option, yet -- but we have more than a couple folks screaming bloody murder. There is no proof to substantiate the MYTH that the government is taking over GM. In fact, there's multiple entities trying to set the record straight by issuing statements to the contrary. Unfortunately, not everyone listens. And so we're back to the beginning of this paragraph -- I can't debate against people who WANT to believe in the apocaliptic prophecies being tossed about.

You asked us to read your NYTIMES article. We did ... it says ...

"Instead, Mr. Obama will effectively use taxpayers as that investor, with the federal government getting slightly more than a 55 percent stake in the company in exchange for forgiving $10 billion in the automaker’s outstanding federal loans. The United Automobile Workers’ retiree trust would have just under 40 percent of the stock, under the G.M. plan."

So are you saying that your NYTIMES article is full of myths and is screaming bloody murder?

Good Lord step away from the Kool-Aide man ... I BEG YOU!

*Mr. Wyndham* · 05-04-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dkb

Good Lord step away from the Kool-Aide man ... I BEG YOU!

Please don't beg...it's unbecoming. Just open your eyes.

FenwickHockey65 · 05-04-2009, 05:13 PM

All I have to say is...500.

PQ · 05-04-2009, 06:47 PM

Hey, at least I know when to stay away from a topic.

I've read it all and have an opinion but like Dragoneye said. It's not going to change anything from the beggining of the thread to now.

I'm right. that's all you need to know.

MrIcky · 05-05-2009, 11:54 AM

I guess we'll know soon enough. I have some strong opinions on the subject- but I'm trying to compartmentalize them and channel my inner Spock. I've called my representatives and expressed myself (I actually did a long time ago- I wanted a plan put out before any bailout money was given. I was pretty much kicked in the nards for that opinion on these boards).

So now I might as well grab a Margarita (Happy Cinco de Mayo!) and kick my feet up until I see the results of the burgeoning Cluster Frack. With luck, this will all turn out all right. A lot of luck.

Either way, I guess my next real say in the matter will arrive on November 9th 2010 for the mid-cycle election. In the meantime- I own both a Dodge and a Chevy and I enjoy driving them both and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new one of either if I were in the market. Hell, I can get parts for a 1965 MG- I guarantee I can keep my Dodge going til 2015.

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MrIcky Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 1,536	I guess we'll know soon enough. I have some strong opinions on the subject- but I'm trying to compartmentalize them and channel my inner Spock. I've called my representatives and expressed myself (I actually did a long time ago- I wanted a plan put out before any bailout money was given. I was pretty much kicked in the nards for that opinion on these boards). So now I might as well grab a Margarita (Happy Cinco de Mayo!) and kick my feet up until I see the results of the burgeoning Cluster Frack. With luck, this will all turn out all right. A lot of luck. Either way, I guess my next real say in the matter will arrive on November 9th 2010 for the mid-cycle election. In the meantime- I own both a Dodge and a Chevy and I enjoy driving them both and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new one of either if I were in the market. Hell, I can get parts for a 1965 MG- I guarantee I can keep my Dodge going til 2015.