Awesome 5.0 Mustang!!!!

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

My daughter had a 2010 Roush and got rid of it within a year. She said she was embarassed by the lack of performance. No, it wasn't a 5.0 but for the price it should have been able to beat 4th gen Camaros and it wouldn't. You got a great Chebby, man!

not trying to follow you around the forums, I promise

Just happened to run across this as well. You mentioned the 2010 Mustang not being able to outperform the 4th Gen LS1s even though they cost more.

I don't think that's necessarily the best point to make. Ford really let the 4.6 hang around too long from a performance standpoint. Nobody will argue the 98/02 FBodies were faster than any GT up to '11.

But to bring up a price argument, I could make the counterpoint that 5th Gen Camaros cost more than 03/04 Cobras but still aren't as quick... Almost anytime you compare a new car, it's going to cost significantly more than an older competitor.

I'm just glad it's not 1998 anymore... 225hp GT vs 350ish hp LS1s.... Ugh...

[Truck Norris]

Originally Posted by gnturboray

Guys I've only owned by SS for several months but prior to buying it I had a 2011 Roush 5XR #30 in my garage. If you dont know what a 5XR is, its a limited # addition to the Stage 3 cars. It was the first super charged 5.0 production tuner car. It was a 6 spd manual and lowly rated at 525hp / 465lbs tq at 7lbs of boost at the flywheel but truthfully more around 540hp. The car was fast but was lacking in areas. For $53k I had base brakes, no sunroof, and the Shaker 500 stereo. I had the full Roush suspension with 3.73 gears, 20" Roush wheels and Cooper RS3 tires, boost gauge, Roush TVS2300, Roush axle back exhaust, Roush gauges, seats and floormats, Roush race peddals, badging and stripes, front facia and rear spoiler.
I bought the car on a whim but I should have known better, it was black with a lot of vinyl red stickers which was a cleaning / waxing nightmare and to top it off Im not a Ford guy AT ALL! I have a hard enough time with my black GN's!
Anyway I sold it to my neighbors brother who is a diehard Mustang guy. Mainly I got rid of the car because of the transmission issues. Though I had a full warranty through Ford / Roush, I couldn't modify the car without voiding it. As you see in my sig Im not worried about warranties UNLESS there is shoddy parts installed. The transmission rebuild was going to be $2,600 if it broke from mods. The new 5.0 also was having issues with piston clatter. On a blown car thats NO BUENO! To top it off Ford issued a TSB advising 5.0 owners not to modify their cars. If you want to read the TSB you can find it at fnsweet.com which is the Roush forums. All vendors except Ray Skillman Ford in Indiana (#1 Roush dealer) pulled their aftermarket FI setups and go fast goodies off the market.

Now to the meat of it, When I bought my SS back in Nov 11, I installed a Maggie with 5.5lbs, Roto-Fab CAI, Edelbrock 1 3/4 shortys, SLP Hushmouth through stock cats, BMR Level 3 suspension and the wheels you see in my sig. Pretty much as close to the Roush 5XR setup as I could. The difference was that I had at 520rwhp / 482rwtq with less boost. Since then more has been done to the SS but as close to apples to apples as I could get and the SS was heads and shoulders over the Stang. I love my Chebby!!

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

My daughter had a 2010 Roush and got rid of it within a year. She said she was embarassed by the lack of performance. No, it wasn't a 5.0 but for the price it should have been able to beat 4th gen Camaros and it wouldn't. You got a great Chebby, man!

Should'a got a 2010 Roush Stage 3 instead.

built 3v w/ 520whp+ stock and no "Chinese built trans"


When I test drove my buddies 5.0L it didn't feel as fast as my old F body but the speedo was saying otherwise. It felt very European when it came to power delivery which I didn't care for..... maybe that could be changed with a tune and louder exhaust.

[gnturboray]

[QUOTE=Truck Norris;4514461]Should'a got a 2010 Roush Stage 3 instead.

built 3v w/ 520whp+ stock and no "Chinese built trans"


Like I said, the 5XR buy wasn't planned. When I bought the car the tranny probs and the piston clatter hadn't made it to the fore front yet. As far as the 2010 RS3, not a fan of the 4.6L and the new Coyote motor had so much promising potential.

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by SGT Stretch

My best friend and roommate has a 2012 5.0, I've driven it pretty hard and him likewise with my SS. While we throw little jabs at each other from time to time its a nice car. One thing I like alot is the clutch travel. Its a night and day comparison to what we have there is hardly any pedal at all there. Car pulls nice too I am trying to convince him to put a little wider rubber on it though cause those skinny 18's in the rear sure to like to spin instead of grip and rip. I'm surprised with the power that that car has that they put such small tires on it.

We are about to do LT header install on it and watched a video on how to and its going to be a huge project. Where as our SS is just plugs wires dipstick O2's and out, these things require steering disconnect starter removal, motor mount pull all kinds of stuff. Not looking forward to it lol

If you have access to a lift, drop the engine down, makes for a quick install. We've done many of them, and it goes pretty quick.

Originally Posted by gnturboray

Guys I've only owned by SS for several months but prior to buying it I had a 2011 Roush 5XR #30 in my garage. If you dont know what a 5XR is, its a limited # addition to the Stage 3 cars. It was the first super charged 5.0 production tuner car. It was a 6 spd manual and lowly rated at 525hp / 465lbs tq at 7lbs of boost at the flywheel but truthfully more around 540hp. The car was fast but was lacking in areas. For $53k I had base brakes, no sunroof, and the Shaker 500 stereo. I had the full Roush suspension with 3.73 gears, 20" Roush wheels and Cooper RS3 tires, boost gauge, Roush TVS2300, Roush axle back exhaust, Roush gauges, seats and floormats, Roush race peddals, badging and stripes, front facia and rear spoiler.
I bought the car on a whim but I should have known better, it was black with a lot of vinyl red stickers which was a cleaning / waxing nightmare and to top it off Im not a Ford guy AT ALL! I have a hard enough time with my black GN's!
Anyway I sold it to my neighbors brother who is a diehard Mustang guy. Mainly I got rid of the car because of the transmission issues. Though I had a full warranty through Ford / Roush, I couldn't modify the car without voiding it. As you see in my sig Im not worried about warranties UNLESS there is shoddy parts installed. The transmission rebuild was going to be $2,600 if it broke from mods. The new 5.0 also was having issues with piston clatter. On a blown car thats NO BUENO! To top it off Ford issued a TSB advising 5.0 owners not to modify their cars. If you want to read the TSB you can find it at fnsweet.com which is the Roush forums. All vendors except Ray Skillman Ford in Indiana (#1 Roush dealer) pulled their aftermarket FI setups and go fast goodies off the market.

Now to the meat of it, When I bought my SS back in Nov 11, I installed a Maggie with 5.5lbs, Roto-Fab CAI, Edelbrock 1 3/4 shortys, SLP Hushmouth through stock cats, BMR Level 3 suspension and the wheels you see in my sig. Pretty much as close to the Roush 5XR setup as I could. The difference was that I had at 520rwhp / 482rwtq with less boost. Since then more has been done to the SS but as close to apples to apples as I could get and the SS was heads and shoulders over the Stang. I love my Chebby!!

Problem about paying 53k for a tuner car, is it's just that, you can buy a gt for 20k less than the roush, and mod it to way outperform the roush for a lot less money.

When you go to sell it, it's still just a "GT"

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

It's nice to enjoy the competition sometimes, but even nicer to walk away happy with the car you own.

+1

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

not trying to follow you around the forums, I promise

Just happened to run across this as well. You mentioned the 2010 Mustang not being able to outperform the 4th Gen LS1s even though they cost more.

I don't think that's necessarily the best point to make. Ford really let the 4.6 hang around too long from a performance standpoint. Nobody will argue the 98/02 FBodies were faster than any GT up to '11.

But to bring up a price argument, I could make the counterpoint that 5th Gen Camaros cost more than 03/04 Cobras but still aren't as quick... Almost anytime you compare a new car, it's going to cost significantly more than an older competitor.

I'm just glad it's not 1998 anymore... 225hp GT vs 350ish hp LS1s.... Ugh...

I was shopping for the best bang for the buck when I bought my Mustang and it was the only car within my price range that looked cool, promised performance and had a V8. It did everything I asked it to do and more. 13.6s were it's best times, but that was a bunch better than some of the others.... I'm not so sure the 03-04 Cobras were faster than the 5th gen Camaros. Magazine tests show the Cobra running high 12s...and that's where a 5th gen 6m Camaro is at with a decent driver. The cost for a Cobra was $35-40K so they weren't cheaper by any means. Yep, both Chevy and Ford were really down on power in some of the austere years...I'm glad we have the new Camaro and Mustangs. Thank God for HP!

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I was shopping for the best bang for the buck when I bought my Mustang and it was the only car within my price range that looked cool, promised performance and had a V8. It did everything I asked it to do and more. 13.6s were it's best times, but that was a bunch better than some of the others.... I'm not so sure the 03-04 Cobras were faster than the 5th gen Camaros. Magazine tests show the Cobra running high 12s...and that's where a 5th gen 6m Camaro is at with a decent driver. The cost for a Cobra was $35-40K so they weren't cheaper by any means. Yep, both Chevy and Ford were really down on power in some of the austere years...I'm glad we have the new Camaro and Mustangs. Thank God for HP!

Ford published the Termis as running a 12.67 quarter. Don't ask why I remember that... But it's a 390hp car that weighs less than the 5th gen camaro. Trust me, it's faster. But not by much.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Ford published the Termis as running a 12.67 quarter. Don't ask why I remember that... But it's a 390hp car that weighs less than the 5th gen camaro. Trust me, it's faster. But not by much.

Could be...I just did a cursory google on it, but most of the time, Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords as an example know how to tweak the most possible performance from a new Mustang and their times are much better than the average owner will ever get from a bone stock car. Interesting, the best they could get out of a bone stock 2011 5.0 was 13.2

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Ford published the Termis as running a 12.67 quarter. Don't ask why I remember that... But it's a 390hp car that weighs less than the 5th gen camaro. Trust me, it's faster. But not by much.

+1

The engines made closer to 420 hp (365-380 rwhp) stock. They weighed in at 3660 lbs. and 3780 in the convertibles. They are a good .2+ faster through the 1/4, while trapping in the 112's-113's and cost $32,xxx brand new.

IRS, 6 speed, supercharged V8, pony car

A true trailblazer!

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Could be...I just did a cursory google on it, but most of the time, Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords as an example know how to tweak the most possible performance from a new Mustang and their times are much better than the average owner will ever get from a bone stock car. Interesting, the best they could get out of a bone stock 2011 5.0 was 13.2

A bone stock 5.0 automatic will run a 12.7 all day long.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

A bone stock 5.0 automatic will run a 12.7 all day long.

Not up here. Our track is at 2200' above sea level and DA on average is around 3800+.

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Could be...I just did a cursory google on it, but most of the time, Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords as an example know how to tweak the most possible performance from a new Mustang and their times are much better than the average owner will ever get from a bone stock car. Interesting, the best they could get out of a bone stock 2011 5.0 was 13.2

My 5.0 ran a best of 13.02@113mph but that should have been a 12.4-12.6@113. I was having to ease the car off the line and roll into the gas to keep traction and it's still wanted to break free at the top of first and did a smooth rolling burnout if I shifted too hard into second and would bark hard in third. That car was strong. It would make my SS look like a slouch.

[Bumblebee2012]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

+1

The engines made closer to 420 hp (365-380 rwhp) stock. They weighed in at 3660 lbs. and 3780 in the convertibles. They are a good .2+ faster through the 1/4, while trapping in the 112's-113's and cost $32,xxx brand new.

IRS, 6 speed, supercharged V8, pony car

A true trailblazer!

The 03/04 Terminators: And don't forget that with a weekend of intake, tuner, long tubes, and pulleys and home ported stock blower.... They pushed out 500+ at the rear tires.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

My 5.0 ran a best of 13.02@113mph but that should have been a 12.4-12.6@113. I was having to ease the car off the line and roll into the gas to keep traction and it's still wanted to break free at the top of first and did a smooth rolling burnout if I shifted too hard into second and would bark hard in third. That car was strong. It would make my SS look like a slouch.

I am not understanding the Mustang 5.0. There are some who claim the 5.0 runs very low 12s bone stock and then there are some that run very mediocre 13s. I am well aware that the track and the driver make a lot of difference, but here in TN the 5.0s aren't running near as strongly as they apparently are elsewhere. Seriously, in 50-60 degree weather at the last T&T at Memphis, there were 5 5.0s and the fastest ran a 12.98 and he had exhaust and tune at a minimum. So, I don't doubt your car could run mid 12s, but of the 5 that I've run from bone stock to mildly modded, none came close to my Camaro in it's bone stock form and then in bolt on form. Just sayiin.