GT500 Nurburgring time?

LimaCharlie · 12-19-2011, 01:44 AM

Has anyone seen any Nurburgring times for the GT500, especially the 2010+? GM has advertised the ZL1 times but I don't recall seeing anything for the GT500. If Ford hasn't released anything, why is this the case? Do they know the GT500 has no chance against the ZL1? Has the GT500 (2013 probably) already turned a lap better than 7:41 and Ford is waiting for the perfect opportunity to release the time?

*DGthe3* · 12-19-2011, 02:32 AM

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PeeBee · 12-19-2011, 03:39 AM

To be fair, most of the lap times are driven during dry seasons. If you know the location of the Nürburgring, the weather conditions can be very variable (one lap can have sunny weather on one side, and rain on the other).

I think Ford went a bit too late to the Ring to actually set a full flat out lap (I believe it was published after September that they were testing the '13 GT500). Keep in mind that between 15 September and 15 March, winter tyres are obligatory in Germany.

4DoorRocket · 12-19-2011, 07:24 AM

I read on a forum a while back that someone at the Burg' clocked the 2013 GT500 in at 7 minutes and 32 seconds.

I honestly wouldn't put too much into them not releasing an official statement. It's their right.

tooslow · 12-19-2011, 01:26 PM

There isn't one. There is not going to be one, either. Ford has already stated multiple times it only ran the GT500 on the 'Ring recently for engineering purposes only. Is it really that big of deal? I mean, even if Ford were to better the unofficial ZL1 time, are they really going to gain any significant sales from doing so? Contrary to popular belief, GM and Ford are in the business of selling cars. Bragging rights are typically only the concern of consumers and websites/forums. In two cars with such a small demographic of buyers as the ZL1 and GT500, I'd guess there's not going to be too much cross shopping going on; at least not enough to make any dent into the bottom line of either company.

It's only the die-hard Camaro and Mustang fans that really seem to put any stock in having bragging rights between the two cars. Wasted energy IMO.

Rock36 · 12-19-2011, 01:54 PM

I personally dislike how Nürburgring times are so trendy lately. Hell they just put the Cadillac ATS on the Nürburgring. You can track tune a car on lots of other tracks. I think there is a large publicity factor in going to the ring too IMHO, because there are plenty of relevant tracks you can develop a car on. But since everyone else is running the 'ring you can use it to compare your car to another car. At least the Boss 302 used good ol' Laguna Seca for their development.

The vast majority of people who will own a 2013+ GT500 or ZL1 will never set foot in Germany, let alone be in a position to drive their car on the ring. And for those that do, they won't get anywhere near driving a sub 8 minute lap there on a public day there.

The guys that are driving the ring have usually circled the track dozens, if not hundreds of times. They are familiar with all the turns and lines required to navigate it professionally. It not like replicating a 1/4 mile time here.

But that said, if the 2013 GT500 in fact pulled a 7:3X on the ring, I have a very difficult time believing they would not publish such an outstanding time eventually.

*DGthe3* · 12-19-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tooslow

There isn't one. There is not going to be one, either. Ford has already stated multiple times it only ran the GT500 on the 'Ring recently for engineering purposes only. Is it really that big of deal? I mean, even if Ford were to better the unofficial ZL1 time, are they really going to gain any significant sales from doing so? Contrary to popular belief, GM and Ford are in the business of selling cars. Bragging rights are typically only the concern of consumers and websites/forums. In two cars with such a small demographic of buyers as the ZL1 and GT500, I'd guess there's not going to be too much cross shopping going on; at least not enough to make any dent into the bottom line of either company.

It's only the die-hard Camaro and Mustang fans that really seem to put any stock in having bragging rights between the two cars. Wasted energy IMO.

Don't pretend that GM didn't send the ZL1 to the 'ring for engineering purposes though. Thats the main reason they, and just about everybody else goes there. GM simply told everyone what their best time was.

tooslow · 12-19-2011, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Don't pretend that GM didn't send the ZL1 to the 'ring for engineering purposes though. Thats the main reason they, and just about everybody else goes there. GM simply told everyone what their best time was.

Not at all. I think we all understand why GM was there with the ZL1 just as they have been with other cars from the GM lineup. There's no telling how many laps and adjustments were made to the ZL1 before getting that time and dialing in the car was the reason they were there!

In some cases, people make it out like all GM did was hop into a production ZL1 and turn in a 7:41 their first time around the track which is far from reality. It may have taken them hundreds of runs to get that time and do we have any evidence they were ever able to back it up with a similar run? Repeatability does mean something to me and others I know.

JusticePete · 12-19-2011, 05:16 PM

There are a number of 'reported' GT500 lap times, but Ford doesn't run the Ring 'officially'. Mustang fans are asking for a Ring time so who knows, they just may do it.

8cd03gro · 12-19-2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

There are a number of 'reported' GT500 lap times, but Ford doesn't run the Ring 'officially'. Mustang fans are asking for a Ring time so who knows, they just may do it.

GM hasn't run the camaro "officially" yet either. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lap time announced at the detroit auto show in February. . . I also wouldn't be surprised to not see it though

JusticePete · 12-19-2011, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

GM hasn't run the camaro "officially" yet either. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lap time announced at the detroit auto show in February. . . I also wouldn't be surprised to not see it though

The ZL1 Ring time has been 'verified' by the GM video released.

2010SS2SS · 12-19-2011, 05:21 PM

They've been there since August/September of last year! The "they may not have had good enough weather" excuse is b.s.!

JusticePete · 12-19-2011, 05:21 PM

FYI from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:41.27 Camaro ZL1 (2012) GM test driver Aaron Link October 2011 GM conducted test (10/2011)

SS 376 · 12-19-2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooslow

Not at all. I think we all understand why GM was there with the ZL1 just as they have been with other cars from the GM lineup. There's no telling how many laps and adjustments were made to the ZL1 before getting that time and dialing in the car was the reason they were there!

In some cases, people make it out like all GM did was hop into a production ZL1 and turn in a 7:41 their first time around the track which is far from reality. It may have taken them hundreds of runs to get that time and do we have any evidence they were ever able to back it up with a similar run? Repeatability does mean something to me and others I know.

Ok, so now GM has to take the weighted average of 100 runs and then have the time slips audited by Ernst & Young, and then have everything notarized for you to be happy? The ZL1 ran a 7:41. The GT500 ran a 0:00. Why not just accept that the ZL1 set a very strong time and that Ford doesn't plan to do a run or publish the results unless it can top it?

Anyway, the side effect of those "laps and adjustments" you seem to be knocking is a better handling car for the end buyer, which is a worthy goal no matter what the final time was.

12-19-2011, 01:44 AM	#1
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12-19-2011, 01:54 PM	#6
Rock36 I just like V8s Drives: 2007 Corvette Z06 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 919	I personally dislike how Nürburgring times are so trendy lately. Hell they just put the Cadillac ATS on the Nürburgring. You can track tune a car on lots of other tracks. I think there is a large publicity factor in going to the ring too IMHO, because there are plenty of relevant tracks you can develop a car on. But since everyone else is running the 'ring you can use it to compare your car to another car. At least the Boss 302 used good ol' Laguna Seca for their development. The vast majority of people who will own a 2013+ GT500 or ZL1 will never set foot in Germany, let alone be in a position to drive their car on the ring. And for those that do, they won't get anywhere near driving a sub 8 minute lap there on a public day there. The guys that are driving the ring have usually circled the track dozens, if not hundreds of times. They are familiar with all the turns and lines required to navigate it professionally. It not like replicating a 1/4 mile time here. But that said, if the 2013 GT500 in fact pulled a 7:3X on the ring, I have a very difficult time believing they would not publish such an outstanding time eventually. Last edited by Rock36; 12-19-2011 at 03:51 PM.

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12-19-2011, 03:39 AM	#3
PeeBee Drives: "Bee" ZL585, Dark Blue Suburban. Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Luxemburg Posts: 1,244	To be fair, most of the lap times are driven during dry seasons. If you know the location of the Nürburgring, the weather conditions can be very variable (one lap can have sunny weather on one side, and rain on the other). I think Ford went a bit too late to the Ring to actually set a full flat out lap (I believe it was published after September that they were testing the '13 GT500). Keep in mind that between 15 September and 15 March, winter tyres are obligatory in Germany.

12-19-2011, 07:24 AM	#4
4DoorRocket Drives: It's a 4 door rocket!!! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Depends on which month Posts: 100	I read on a forum a while back that someone at the Burg' clocked the 2013 GT500 in at 7 minutes and 32 seconds. I honestly wouldn't put too much into them not releasing an official statement. It's their right.

12-19-2011, 01:26 PM	#5
tooslow Banned Drives: 4 Wheels, Gasoline Engine Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,007	There isn't one. There is not going to be one, either. Ford has already stated multiple times it only ran the GT500 on the 'Ring recently for engineering purposes only. Is it really that big of deal? I mean, even if Ford were to better the unofficial ZL1 time, are they really going to gain any significant sales from doing so? Contrary to popular belief, GM and Ford are in the business of selling cars. Bragging rights are typically only the concern of consumers and websites/forums. In two cars with such a small demographic of buyers as the ZL1 and GT500, I'd guess there's not going to be too much cross shopping going on; at least not enough to make any dent into the bottom line of either company. It's only the die-hard Camaro and Mustang fans that really seem to put any stock in having bragging rights between the two cars. Wasted energy IMO.

12-19-2011, 05:16 PM	#9
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,171	There are a number of 'reported' GT500 lap times, but Ford doesn't run the Ring 'officially'. Mustang fans are asking for a Ring time so who knows, they just may do it.

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2010SS2SS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS 2SS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Cypress, texas Posts: 1,296	They've been there since August/September of last year! The "they may not have had good enough weather" excuse is b.s.!